Rudy's Star Power (Rudy's like Tancredo on immigration!)

National Review Online ^ | 1/30/2007 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

[RepublicanPOTUSin08]

A friend of mine was at a fundraiser for Rudy Giuliani in Los Angeles last night. His walkaway thought: “[Rudy] might have a tough time in the primary but he will crush in the general.”

Said friend says of last night: “I have to tell you the man is very impressive. When he talks about the war on terror he does so more clearly than anyone I have heard including the President. He doesn't bash the President ever and this was LA where he could really get away with it.”

Rudy did an immigration bit that was “to the right of everyone else except maybe Tancredo. He talked about immigration in terms of national security. He said we needed to revamp our entire system so that we can get good people. He also said that if the twelve million already here expected to get any type of citizenship they would have to prove that they could read, write, and speak English.”

The fundraiser was sponsored by Bill Simon (who worked with Rudy in the U.S. Attorney’s office). My friend, who is the rare pro-life, Hollywood hawk, left wondering if he could support Rudy if it came to that. “We all know where Rudy is on abortion but my question is what does he think of Judges Roberts and Alito? If he says that he would appoint judges of like mind then I think he can skate on the abortion issue because it does come down to the judges.” It was Hollywood though so no one asked about any social issues.

[RepublicanPOTUSin08]

Rudy wants to seal the borders AND assimilate immigrants!

[dfwddr]

About the only way I could support Rudy:

[NapkinUser]

On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

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[My2Cents]

Welcome to FreeRepublic. Get ready to be flamed for trying to allow Rudy to speak for himself on the issues. Some here prefer to speak for him.

[Txsleuth]

PING a LING!!!

[My2Cents]

Here we go again. :-)

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

You know good and well the illegals in NYC at the time weren't hordes of Mexicans who sneaked over the border.

NYC is a city rich in immigrants, and Rudy at the time was concerned that the federal government was going to cast too wide a net and punish the folks who set up the food stands and such to make a living while waiting for their papers to clear.

Rudy has already came out in favor of border security, so your post is moot.

[libbylu]

yeah right. i heard him with my own ears last fall brag about how he broke federal laws to help illegals in NYC when he was mayor... you think may he's like bush, this is not amnesty, while he gives the USA away? much as i'd like to see it i would HAVE to see it done.

[EternalVigilance]

Rudy wants to seal the borders AND assimilate immigrants!

Your first post on FR, and you propagate a Big Lie. Doubt you'll last long...

When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law. The Twin Towers are gone and Giuliani is out of office, but the city's policy of safe harbors for illegal immigrants stands.

[onyx]

Said friend says of last night: “I have to tell you the man is very impressive. When he talks about the war on terror he does so more clearly than anyone I have heard including the President. He doesn't bash the President ever and this was LA where he could really get away with it.”

Rudy did an immigration bit that was “to the right of everyone else except maybe Tancredo. He talked about immigration in terms of national security. He said we needed to revamp our entire system so that we can get good people. He also said that if the twelve million already here expected to get any type of citizenship they would have to prove that they could read, write, and speak English.”




WOW!

[RepublicanPOTUSin08]

I don't know, dude... If Rudy told the illegals to learn English or go home, that would be pretty impressive!

[EternalVigilance]

Some here prefer to speak for him.

His record speaks for itself:

When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law. The Twin Towers are gone and Giuliani is out of office, but the city's policy of safe harbors for illegal immigrants stands.

Rudy can be a fierce political warrior. Unfortunately, in the case of illegal immigration, he was one on behalf of exactly the kind of illegal foreign nationals who flew the planes into the WTC. And he was willing to do it in defiance of the laws and the Congress.

The spin coming out of the Giuliani camp is unbelievable. And I mean that quite literally...

[NapkinUser]

So what are Giuliani's conservative positions aside from the war on terror? Can you give me, let's say, three? Giuliani doesn't even talk about the second amendment on his campaign website. The guy is a leftist. Just admit that, and say you want him because he can win and he made you feel good after September 11, 2001. It's not hard. But pretending Giuliani is some Reagan conservative, when his position on the second amendment is to the left of a lot of congressional democrats just ain't right.

He is still just as pro-illegal as he always was. He's just pandering for votes. If he wasn't running for president, he'd still be the Ed Koch wannabe he's always been.

[DocH]

Rudy did an immigration bit that was “to the right of everyone else except maybe Tancredo

The key word here is "bit", which rightly insinuates that it was RINO-rudy ACTING like a true conservative, which, of course, is LAUGHABLE.

Maybe it was a COMEDY "bit".

[Spiff]

Giuliani/Clinton/GOP vs. Dem Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

[gedeon3]

You people will not stop this bs about making rudy the republican front runner. I am fed up of this sh*t. I will not vote for that man. Why do I have to settle for less than a conservative? This guy is a mixture of libertarian and democrat. No thanks.

[libbylu]

I heard him with my own ears say he was for the amnesty program. I don't remember the details of how he helped the NYC illegals. He ain't no tancredo...... I immediately started looking at other candidates for their amnesty stands, is when i thought Mitt was going be against amnesty, speech he gave to heritate. waiting to see if that is true. no one would be happier for rudy to be anti amnesty than me. I'd have to hear him with my own ears and he'd have to spell it out real slow.

[libbylu]

You know Newt came out with that, and he's been meeting with Newt. that's not antiamnesty.

[catroina54]

their richness,
bankrupted us
and turned our neighborhoods
into nothing more than turd world ghettos.
guiliani KNEW exactly what he was doing and illegal immmigration was already a well established FACT.

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NYC is a city rich in immigrants, and Rudy at the time was concerned that the federal government was going to cast too wide a net and punish the folks who set up the food stands and such to make a living while waiting for their papers to clear.

[FreeInWV]

He shows his disdain for the second amendment on speeches on his official mayoral website. Here are some quotes and a link to one of his many anti-gun speeches:

"Just as unimpeded interstate travel is Constitutionally guaranteed, but we reserve the right to regulate driving automobiles, so too must we sensibly regulate gun purchases to preserve the safety of all Americans.”

“However, guns kill many more people than automobiles do, even though there are many more cars than guns, and cars are used much more often than guns. ”

“Perhaps, we should require insurance for handguns. If liability insurance were required to purchase and own a handgun, you better believe that the insurance industry would promulgate a pretty rigorous licensing and purchasing process to control the risk.”

“I know many people argue that keeping and bearing arms is federally guaranteed right as stated in the Second Amendment of the Constitution. But even in the Second Amendment, it refers to firearms in the context of a well regulated militia, and well regulated is what we're trying to accomplish.”

“And even as we grieve for those who lost their lives, and our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their loved ones, we may be able to find some sort of meaning in this tragedy by using it as a catalyst to revive national gun control efforts.”


http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/rwg/html/97a/ccc.html