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1 posted on 01/30/2007 11:33:40 AM PST by RayStacy
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If I recall correctly, MLK day was not a holiday in Arkansas until the late 80's -early 90's when Bill Clinton as governor made it a holiday. He made it a holiday with one condition though....Robt. E. Lee's birthday would be celebrated as well, as a joint offcial state celebration. I may be wrong, but this is what I have been told.


72 posted on 01/30/2007 2:29:10 PM PST by gop4lyf
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This will be of Interest to you southerners or decedents there of.

The Politically Incorrect Guide to THE SOUTH (and Why it Will Rise Again)

By Clint Johnson

From the Cover:

• Why the South is more important to America’s founding than the North
• The first of the thirteen colonies to legalize slavery? (Hint it’s not in the South)
• The South is the center of American culture and history
• Why faith and family come first in the South
• Why limited government and low tax rates are a Southern tradition


http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-South-Again/dp/1596985003


73 posted on 01/30/2007 2:29:12 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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I'm not convinced that Lee's duty required taking up arms against the country he'd taken an oath to years before. As a child, I accepted that in some way Lee thought of Virginia as his "country," but that doesn't look like a very convincing argument now. I don't say that he should have fought against his neighbors, but the alternative wasn't war against those he'd served with.

Moreover, let's say that Lee did put duty first and suppressed contrary inclinations. What was the result? The war was prolonged. More men died. And the destruction of the South was greater than it otherwise would have been.

Had Lee sat on his hands, some people have said, the war would have ended after two or three years with much less loss of life and property. What survives is Lee's personal moral example, rather than any benefit to Virginia. So in a strange way, the course described as selfless was worse for the community than for Lee as an individual.

That may have been what Henry Adams was getting at when he said, perhaps in response to his brother, Charles Francis Adams, who eulogized and idolized Lee, "It was all the worse that he was a good man, had a good character, and acted conscientiously. It's always the good men who do the most harm."

77 posted on 01/30/2007 3:00:26 PM PST by x
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As a mother who has a hard time remembering my children's birthdays...forgive me on not remembering General Lee's. I do think he was a great man with exceptional military ability. Had the south had the industrial resources as did the north...the south could very well have won. It was best they didn't in the long run..we are a better, stronger nation because we stayed united.


124 posted on 02/10/2007 5:34:31 PM PST by Conservative4Ever
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Lee would have endorsed the view of General Richard (son of Zachary) Taylor who said that he and his fellow Southerners had fought not for the preservation of slavery -- regret for slavery's loss, Taylor noted after the war, "has neither been felt nor expressed" -- but rather, they had "striven for that which brought our forefathers to Runnymede, the privilege of exercising some influence in their own government."

Too bad this little fact about the Civil War has been mostly ignored. Everyone still thinks it was about slavery.

128 posted on 02/11/2007 2:30:58 AM PST by beckysueb
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I think one of the great ironies of history is that the Lee family freed its slaves and the Grant family didn't.


135 posted on 02/11/2007 5:37:59 AM PST by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet.)
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Lee's birthday on 19 January (or Stonewall Jackson's on 21 January)? Lee's birthday is still officially marked in some Southern states, but the great and good general seems to be slipping from America's consciousness, or at least from America's esteem.

Hmm, article complains about a birthday going unnoticed, eleven days after the birthday. Wouldn't it have been better to publish this, oh, I don't know, maybe January 18 (or earlier)? I guess The American Spectator will be announcing Mardi Gras sometime around February 28.

137 posted on 02/11/2007 5:46:28 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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By the way, he was an upstanding man, who chose the wrong side. Heroism requires good decisions.


139 posted on 02/11/2007 5:47:38 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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While I'm glad the south lost, I've got no problem at all in honoring General Lee. You have to call him a great man.


145 posted on 02/11/2007 6:34:52 AM PST by zook (America going insane - "Do you read Sutter Caine?)
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I think in Lee's day he was generally admired by most people in both the North and the South. IMO, that feeling continues today, with the exception of those influenced by political correctness.

Criticism towards Lee seems fairly even handed so far on this thread. For my part, I've always considered him a hero.

146 posted on 02/11/2007 6:35:50 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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Robert E. Lee was the son of "Lighthorse" Harry Lee, hero of the American Revolution. Old Dad must have turned over in his grave when his son took up arms against what he so dearly fought for.


148 posted on 02/11/2007 6:42:14 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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Did REL 'own' other people?


153 posted on 02/11/2007 7:38:24 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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Wow. So much contetious argument over the tactics of the North late in the war. Grant,Sherman, and Sheridan brought what we call today as 'total war' to the south.

The American way of war.

Destroy THINGS rather than men. Destroy the supporting infrastucture for the Confederacy and the Confederate army dried up in provisions, material, transportation, etc.
Grant, tied to the Confederate army and never let go. No 'regrouping', no re-training, no retreat and reorganizing. Sheridan used the cavalry the same way we use our tanks today, swift powerful shock power. It was war of the future.

Lee was brilliant as a tactician. He proved his value and worth as an engineer in the Mexican War, where the world thought we would be defeated. Each man made a choice when the WBTS started, state or country. Those that chose state, would lose. The South had no heavy industry, foundries, shipping, communications and transport to support a moving army. That they did so well for so long with so little is a testiment to tenacity and spirit.

156 posted on 02/11/2007 8:07:27 AM PST by Pistolshot (Condi 2008.<------added January 2004. Remember you heard it here first)
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This is ironic. It has nothing to do with the subject.

We just got a cat and I think we are going to name him General Lee..

Then I get on line, come here and there it is. Confirmation for me.

His name is General Lee.

182 posted on 02/11/2007 12:10:24 PM PST by Texas Mom (Two places you're always welcome - church and Grandma's house.)
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279 posted on 02/18/2007 10:52:44 AM PST by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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Bobby Lee was loved by North and South alike. More Yankees respected him than they did nearly any of their own generals and leaders. Jeff Davis, on the other hand, was slime and not well trusted on either side of the Mason Dixon Line.


298 posted on 02/22/2007 9:31:02 AM PST by BuffaloJack
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