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One Horse Dies
The New York Times ^ | 30 Jan 2007 | Editorial staff

Posted on 01/30/2007 9:40:32 AM PST by Kitten Festival

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To: Texas Federalist

No.


61 posted on 01/30/2007 10:33:54 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Apple Blossom

You are right. Jockey Club does not allow artificial insemination.
As far as litle Barbaros, I believe the Jacksons have a full brother to Barbaro, and his broodmare, La Ville Rouge, is in foal to Dynaformer again.


62 posted on 01/30/2007 10:34:06 AM PST by gate2wire
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To: wtc911

No, no -- the world needs symbols, of courage and perseverence in the face of the odds stacked against us. Horses do very nicely for this.


63 posted on 01/30/2007 10:34:31 AM PST by Thywillnotmine (take the wings of the morning)
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To: Apple Blossom

TMI: It is true that for Thoroughbred horses to race, they must be the result of live cover (i.e., no artificial insemination allowed). However, A Thoroughbred stallion may be collected and used to artificially inseminate Quarter Horse or Paint or Appaloussa mares, and then the offspring may be raced in their individual breed races. But a horse must be a registered Thoroughbred (and thus conceived via live cover) to race in Thoroughbred races.

As stated before, though, given Barbaro's condition, it would not have been possible to collect his semen.


64 posted on 01/30/2007 10:34:35 AM PST by Help!
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To: Russ
I'm just bewildered that the NYT and others in the MSM seem to be mourning the horse's passing more deeply than they did Terry Schiavo.

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Or any child who died for any reason.

65 posted on 01/30/2007 10:34:53 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: Kitten Festival

What made him so "precious and wonderful" compared to other horses? Did anyone here spend time with him and get to know him? Maybe he was a jerk! ;^)


66 posted on 01/30/2007 10:35:56 AM PST by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Thank you for words well said and for the tribute. You've expressed exactly why many of us who aren't horse fancier's rooted for Barbaro.

(I was 14 the last time I was on a horse and it was a rental in Houston so I'm no equestrian.)


67 posted on 01/30/2007 10:36:30 AM PST by Sally'sConcerns
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To: Texas Federalist

No. All breeding of Thoroughbreds must be by live cover. No artificial insemination allowed anywhere in the pedigree to get a registered TB.


68 posted on 01/30/2007 10:37:50 AM PST by Help!
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To: wtc911

Since you are of Irish descent, perhaps you could investigate how many of your ancestors made their living around the world of horses. Some of the very best bloodstock in the entire world comes from Ireland, and caring intelligent people spent alot of time and money over a number of centuries to produce today's fine race horses.

I agree there are many people who are in poverty, but I invite you to look at some of the "churches" of the world which continue to encourage multiple children in a country or region which cannot support the parents.


69 posted on 01/30/2007 10:38:57 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: nanster

Nonsense, the world is full of heroic people of all ages...just check any VA Hospital or Children's Hospital or Ronald McDonald House. We do not need animals to inspire us.


70 posted on 01/30/2007 10:40:50 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Rush today called it a "Parasocial Disorder" to feel such great identity with celebs, horses, dogs, cats etc. people with the disorder are compelled to send tear-streaked cards when they die. One wonders if Barbaro (meaning cruel, barbaric, mean in Spanish, by the way), will be converted to sausages or will there be a huge funeral a la Diana?


71 posted on 01/30/2007 10:40:57 AM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: StormEye

The ignorance displayed on this forum daily is surpassed only by the certitude with which it is stated. No sperm was taken from Barbaro because artificial insemination is not allowed in Thoroughbred breeding. Furthermore, Barbaro was not an "it." He was an ungelded male of his species. As far as I know, the only living males who deserve to be objectified as "it" are the human ones who are born male but want to act like and/or become female.


72 posted on 01/30/2007 10:41:09 AM PST by Wolfstar ("A nation that hates its Horatios is already in grave danger of losing its soul." Dr. Jack Wheeler)
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To: Paulus Invictus

The people I've known with racehorses (all... two families), didn't turn their horses into sausage when they died, they buried them on their farms. I would expect the Jacksons would do the same.


73 posted on 01/30/2007 10:43:06 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Texas Federalist

Semen from Barbaro would be worth nothing in the Thorobred world. I do not know about other breeds using him for cross breeding. But trying to create a racing Thorobred offspring from Barbaro would not be registered by the Jockey Club nor allowed to race.
In his condition, Barbaro would most likely not been able to mount the dummy mare for collection, anyway. There is a method which involves a person holding the collection sleeve, but in his delicate condition with his balance, etc, I would not think they would e3ven have tried it.


74 posted on 01/30/2007 10:43:29 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Kitten Festival
The last paragraph in the editorial is pure, bleeding heart, liberal, save the whales, city slicker, nauseous drivel:

You would have to look a long, long time to find a dishonest or cruel horse. And the odds are that if you did find one, it was made cruel or dishonest by the company it kept with humans. It is no exaggeration to say that nearly every horse — Barbaro included — is pure of heart. Some are faster, some slower. Some wind up in the winner’s circle. But they should all evoke in us the generosity of conscience — a human quality, after all — that was expended in the effort to save this one horse.

Barf.........

75 posted on 01/30/2007 10:43:57 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: Columbine
I'm sorry so many conservatives on this thread are so ugly in their hearts and minds.

It isn't just on this thread, nor is it confined to discussions of the Dems/Left. Seems to be ingrained.

76 posted on 01/30/2007 10:48:47 AM PST by Wolfstar ("A nation that hates its Horatios is already in grave danger of losing its soul." Dr. Jack Wheeler)
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To: ridesthemiles; StormEye
Either you have the chance to be closer to a horse in your lifetime and find out the magnificent joy they can bring into your life or God makes sure you NEVER get close to one. Nothing in between.

A horse snob if I ever heard/saw one.

77 posted on 01/30/2007 10:48:48 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: ridesthemiles
"I hope one of 2 things: Either you have the chance to be closer to a horse in your lifetime and find out the magnificent joy they can bring into your life or God makes sure you NEVER get close to one. Nothing in between."

BWHAAAAAAAAAA! I'm so insensitive.
BWHAAAAAAAAAAAA!

(You sound ridiculous -- you know. And wishing your strange "god" would wreak damnation on me is just plain primitive and evil. Are you evil?)

78 posted on 01/30/2007 10:49:14 AM PST by StormEye
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To: gate2wire

We'll have to keep our eye out for him/her at a future race.


79 posted on 01/30/2007 10:52:40 AM PST by Apple Blossom (...around here, city hall is something of a between meals snack.)
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To: Paulus Invictus
Rush today called it a "Parasocial Disorder" to feel such great identity with celebs, horses, dogs, cats etc. people with the disorder are compelled to send tear-streaked cards when they die.

So would it be a disorder if people felt something if Rush dies? How about Reagan? The victims in the WTC? The space shuttle tragedies? Our soldiers overseas? Most of us don't know any of them personally either, but we grieved what we did know of them when it was lost. This country is full of terrific people, animals, ideas, traditions... We can't know all of them, but some we feel some connection to. Maybe it's just an image, maybe it's that they represent something to us that is beautiful, or worthy of respect, or humble like ourselves. When we are shown great stories, or great tragedies, I admire those who feel something, but that's just me.

One wonders if Barbaro ... will be converted to sausages or will there be a huge funeral a la Diana?

Closer to the latter than the former, I imagine. I don't even think you'd want to eat a horse that died of an overdose of drugs, even to make a point about how little you cared.

80 posted on 01/30/2007 10:54:54 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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