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Are the Right People Becoming Teachers? ( Teachers are NOT Professionals)
EdNews.org ^ | January 9,2007 | Martin Haberman

Posted on 01/30/2007 5:45:59 AM PST by wintertime

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1. The practitioners know and can do things the public in general cannot do. They have a specialized body of knowledge.

2. The specialized body of knowledge practitioners have takes an extended period of time to learn.

3. The educators who prepare the practitioners are experts who agree upon the specialized body of knowledge practitioners must have.

4. Admission to a professional training program is highly selective.( snip).

6. Only members of the profession set the standards for licensure and certification.

7. The primary responsibility and loyalty of a professional is to serve the client and not simply the institution or governmental agency in which the practitioner may be employed.

8. Neither the public at large nor an employing institution may control the way in which professionals relate to their clients, or the treatments, methods or procedures they use.

9. Neither the public at large nor an employing institution may set the purpose, goals or objectives for the practitioner’s practice with clients.

10. The public at large does not decide how to evaluate professionals.

11. Only members of the profession can determine malpractice and dismiss or disbar practitioners.

12. Professionals determine the cost of their services.

19. Professionals are trained to serve clients with problems. By definition “professionals” do not seek to perform services to clients without problems.

21. Professionals share a code of ethics to which they commit and adhere. They cannot be directed to perform or not perform services for clients which conflict with their professional code.

The case that teaching does not meet any of these twenty one criteria can be readily made.

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To: SoftballMominVA

As a public school teacher, it would be nice to be afforded the same courtesy.

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If your school is as wonderful as you say, then you are NOT part of the problem.


281 posted on 01/30/2007 4:52:15 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: perseid 67

I think her viciousness is the natural law.

Mothers are meant to protect their young predators.
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I am sitting here laughing and laughing! Very good!


282 posted on 01/30/2007 4:57:17 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: perseid 67
Parents and teachers use different definitions for involved. Teachers want parents involved in fund raising. Most parents want to be involved in helping their kids perform well academically. I see the gap between parents and certain kinds of indifferent teachers is growing.

Maybe where you live, not where I live. The only fundraising I see the teachers involved in is buying stuff from their students who are involved in the Girl Scouts, the Boy Scouts, and the local Little League.

Your broadbrushing is nearly as bad as that of the person who originally posted this thread.

You not liking pubic schools makes no nevermind to me, your insistence upon condemning all public schools without evidence leaves me to wonder about your reasoing abilities.

283 posted on 01/30/2007 5:02:30 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: No Truce With Kings; Freee-dame

-- I have taught 30 to 40 people,

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It is amazing. Government school teachers are always begging for smaller classes. But,,,the high schoolers who sit in classes of 20, graduate as seniors. Their parents then fork over tens of thousands of dollars for these same students to sit in assemblies of 200 to 300 or more.

Same students,,but the government teachers insist on tiny, tiny classes, and the VERY EXPENSIVE colleges can teach them in classes of 300. Go figure!


284 posted on 01/30/2007 5:03:39 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: wintertime

The nuns are rolling over in their graves looking at the vicious witch that came out of their schools.

Vicious witch is the most polite description I can come up with for you.


285 posted on 01/30/2007 5:05:15 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: -YYZ-

They are just part of a system that is doomed (or more likely designed) to turn out poorly-educated students. Poorly educated by classical standards, but well educated in what the system is designed to encourage - conformity, dullness, lack of originality, acceptance of the opinions of "experts" of all sorts. No, don't blame the teachers (although many ARE quite marginal, to be sure, as the system intended, no doubt), they're just trying to make a living in the system.

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Teachers who prop up and cooperate with dysfunctional schools fall into 3 categories: Stupid, greedy, or evil.

If they know that the systems is dysfunctional and hurting children educationally, physically, emotionally and socially, and they are doing it for a paycheck,,,then they are in the greedy category.

Have you considered that most government teachers are products of government schools? Then why are we surprised that government schools are staffed with those who are "well educated in what the system is designed to encourage - conformity, dullness, lack of originality, acceptance of the opinions of "experts" of all sorts." These teachers are likely in the stupid category.

There are likely very few who willing do this job because they are evil and get a kick out of hurting children.


286 posted on 01/30/2007 5:14:10 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: Gabz

You need to take some remedial reading classes.


287 posted on 01/30/2007 5:14:37 PM PST by perseid 67
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

I have been told that you need at least a 120 IQ to learn calculus. I don't think most teachers would pass.

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Probably, very likely.


288 posted on 01/30/2007 5:18:24 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: Gabz
All that said, I sucked at math and science.

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Would you admit to being a poor reader? Hm...would you? NO! You would be ashamed to admit that.

Yet,,,people will willing admit to being poor at math and science. Amazing! Why would you broadcast your inability and deficiency like that?
289 posted on 01/30/2007 5:22:34 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: perseid 67

Oh really?


290 posted on 01/30/2007 5:27:05 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: wintertime

If I were a poor reader I would admit it just as readily as I admit I had problems with math and science in HS.

One thing needed by a business owner is an ability to use math. Considering I have been self-employed for more than 20 years it is a safe bet I overcame my problems with math.

What is your excuse for being such a stereotyping vicious witch?


291 posted on 01/30/2007 5:31:20 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: wintertime

Studies show that small class size only works that well in the early grades.


292 posted on 01/30/2007 5:57:31 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: NonValueAdded

Huh? So you work under a PE for five years and take a test and that makes you a professional?


293 posted on 01/30/2007 6:06:04 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: LanPB01
It appears not all doctorate degrees require training in social skills or self-awareness.

ROTFLMAO! What in the world does that mean?

294 posted on 01/30/2007 6:08:02 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: wintertime

Good article, although I don't accept that all the criteria are required of a professional. Numbers 1-3 are fundamental. If the process of getting people to learn was more of a science, then many of the other problems with the schools would be solved.


295 posted on 01/30/2007 6:27:42 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Gabz
she just doesn't get the concept that division is the opposite of multiplication.

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Take some beans. Have her multiply with the beans, and then have her divide the same numbers with the same beans. Do this every day for a few months. It should take about 5 to 10 mins.

If this doesn't work then maybe someone else has a suggestion.
296 posted on 01/30/2007 6:43:43 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: perseid 67
Teachers want parents involved in fund raising. Most parents want to be involved in helping their kids perform well academically.

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I was once waiting for my son in the lobby of our local government school. A working man, wearing construction clothing was attempting to talk with a teacher about his son's reading.

Construction man: I am worried about my son's reading. What can we do to help him improve.

Teacher: We think your son is in the right group. ( And, then proceeds to walk away, leaving the man bewildered.)

First of all, the teacher did NOT answer this man's question. Second, since what the man and his wife needed to do was likely complex, the teacher did NOT say, "Please, make and appointment so that we can review some reading exercises that will help your son at home."

I was NOT impressed with the teacher. The father was NOT nearly assertive enough, but, if he had pushed the teacher, she would have labeled him "difficult".

With my own son, he was several grades ahead of his first grade class. The teacher responded by giving him MORE homework, not more advanced work. In fact, she made NO effort to even see if what I was reporting was true. When I spoke with the principal, he comment was that, (maybe) my son could be tested in the summer, ( This was 8 months away.), and in the mean time he would be given first grade work.

I put up with this for a few more months and then homeschooled. By fifteen he had finished Calculus III and all of his general college requirements. He tested in the 96% in math on the Wechsler IQ test.
297 posted on 01/30/2007 6:59:38 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: Gabz
All that said, I sucked at math and science. ( Gabz)
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These are YOUR words, Gabz.

I am not stereotyping you.
298 posted on 01/30/2007 7:04:47 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: wintertime

I do not need YOU telling me how to educate my child.


299 posted on 01/30/2007 7:07:18 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: wintertime

You asked a question and I answered it.........you chose to ignore that.

You are not only a stereotyping vicious witch, you're a hypocrite to boot.


300 posted on 01/30/2007 7:09:05 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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