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To: OESY
OK, I should be working (I mentioned, I'm an engineer) but I went ahead and read the "missing" EO. It's here:

http://nodis3.gsfc.nasa.gov/displayEO.cfm?id=EO_13039_

(I just googled "EO-13039" it with "site:.gov" and this was the first government site of several that had it). And what it does is exclude DevGru from federal unionization rules. It has absolutely bupkus to do with TWA800.

DevGru's mission is classified. It is an element of the Joint Special Operations Command, and the DOD does not comment on such special operations elements. Here is a description of DevGru at a slightly anti-military site:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/navy/nswdg.htm

I cannot comment beyond that link, even to say whether the link is correct or not.

Goddard may not be a veteran, as he seems to misunderstand what DevGru is and what its assets are. He says they include these:

Navy assets and units that recovered the debris of TWA 800 included:

USS Grasp (ARS 51) USS Grapple (ARS 53) USS Trenton (LPD 14) USS Oak Hill (LSD 51) Explosive Ordnance Disposal Unit 1 Explosive Ordnance Disposal Unit 2 Explosive Ordnance Disposal Unit 6 Mobile Diving and Salvage Unit 2

These assets and units are subsets of the Naval Special Warfare Development Group. E.O. 13039 removed all personnel in this Group from whistle-blower protections for reasons of "national security."

Mr Goddard is incorrect in suggesting that these units belong to DevGru.

USNS Grasp retired from the Navy to continue its rescue and salvage work as a civilian ship last year. Prior to that, a little googling tells us, Grasp was a salvage ship, as is Grapple. USS Trenton has been decommissioned and sold. Oak Hill is still at Little Creek. None of these vessels belong to DevGru.

All the units Goddard lists are based at Little Creek, Virginia, I believe:

http://www.nablc.navy.mil/virtual_tour.htm

The reason I think that Goddard might not be a vet is that he refers to these elements as "subsets" of DevGru... I've never heard a soldier, sailor or Marine talk about "subsets." Have you?

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

197 posted on 01/31/2007 9:25:16 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Kitchener faced a 'Mahdi Army' too... how'd that work out?)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

While your credentials are impressive and your insight is appreiated, why hasn't the government squashed the entire conspiracy with satellite recon????? Even though they initially denied that any of the three satellites were in range or functioning properly, apparently one of our covert spy satellites recorded the entire accident (see London times story). Why the deceit and suppression of the eyewitnesses at the Baltimore hearings? This behavior seems contrary to a party vindicated by the scientific truth you outlined. Just a few fundamentional questions which really a throw monkeywrench into this entire mystery.


199 posted on 01/31/2007 9:50:53 AM PST by SharpTalons
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To: Criminal Number 18F; OESY; jpl
And what it does is exclude DevGru from federal unionization rules. It has absolutely bupkus to do with TWA800.

Actually, it governs a range of things far beyond unionization, the Federal labor Relations act governs measures applying to the federal employees of such things as the Federal Whistleblower act.

For you to consciously MISREPERESENT what Executive Order 13039's impact was, can only have been so as to MISLEAD the followers of this thread. You attempted to ham-handedly palm off the Red Herring of "unionization rules" instead of the broader federal employment rule impacts...and this bad faith on your part was egregious.

See Executive Order 12171

206 posted on 01/31/2007 11:01:15 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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