[kitkat]

BUMP

[Clintonfatigued]

Fortunately, the House's Class of 1974 is mostly gone, but their legacy still influences the current crop of Congressional Democrats.

[Coachm]

So Vietnam might have had a different ending if we didn't have Watergate?

[Mr Ramsbotham]

I think there's some kind of strange inference here that the Democrats and the RINOs who support them somehow don't actually want to lose the war in Iraq and are just "misguided." Don't bet on it. They want us to lose, and this article gives them a blueprint for it.

[Sola Veritas]

Indeed, many have drawn parallels between Vietnam and Iraq, but they didn't learn the proper lesson from Vietnam.

In Vietnam we were NEVER beaten in the field. The war was lost at home and in the press.

After the loss of many American and Vietnamese lives, we deserted the South Vietnam government and set them up for downfall. That is the real tragedy of that war, that Vietnam fell to communists, because of American betrayal.

General Westermorland wrote a book called, "A Soldier Reports." It is a good read.

[freekitty]

That's what our Congress is trying to do now. How can they do this to America? Repeat their mistakes and put America, our troops in danger. Do these people love their country? No. It's all about winning politically. This time we will not give in. They can do their little speeches, postures, whatever, true Americans will not give in.

[Eagles6]

Too many don't know the truth. Rather than "Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it", we have the democrats who know history and vow to repeat it.

[Felis_irritable]

I've just started reading Triumph Forsaken The Vietnam War 1954-1965, by Mark Moyar. Certainly not the first, but the most recent revisionist history of the Vietnam war. BTW, *he* calls himself a revisionist... It's been a sad read so far. It's also a well documented book. Things could have gone differently. I wonder when we'll start getting the same kind of books about Iraq and the GWOT?

[Basheva]

This is not about doing the right thing, or winning.

This is about a power grab. It's about a democrat congress imposing its will on the foreign policy which has always been the purview of the president. This is about the congress going abroad and trying to conduct foreign policy by undermining the president.

This is about the democrat congress undermining the Commander in Chief provision of the Constitution when the president is a republican - they don't do it when the president is a democrat - like Clinton in Kosovo or bombing in Yogoslavia.

Democrats never undermine a democrat president - republicans do undermine a republican president.

But the overriding intent is to cripple America's ability to wage war in defense of itself, its allies and interests.

They cripple the American spirit - and that's how we lose - not by losing on the battlefield. Doing it this way is even deadlier.

If you lose a battle you can hope to come back another day. But if the spirit is crippled - there is no coming back.

This is a direct descendant of what happened in Vietnam - the American spirit was crippled. For a couple of decades after that American soldiers were afraid to wear their uniforms. We owe this to the decadent American left and its running dogs the media, academia and Hollywood. What a team.

What happened to Jane Fonda's apology?

Obviously she didn't mean it.

[radar101]

A CLASSIC!

Frank Forrester Church III (July 25, 1924 – April 7, 1984) was a United States Senator from Idaho from 1957 to 1981. Church was a member of the Idaho Democratic Party.

What happened when Democrats in Congress cut off funding for the Vietnam War?

[Getsmart64]

Bookmark

[freema]

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[FreedomPoster]

I've been telling a group of Dems the basics of this story, for a couple years.

The Left is in complete denial of the history here. And they *really* don't want to hear about the Cambodian genocide, and the many Vietnamese killed, brutalized, and lost at sea, as a direct result of the Dem's actions.

[PISANO]

1776 Declaration of Independence ratified. April 1789 George Washington sworn in. 1791 The Bill of Rights ratified.

Fifteen years from the day when our Nation's FREEDOM was born until our nation was mature enough to enshrine forever our RIGHTS from GOD!!

13 Months have passed since the Iraq Constitution has been ratified and WE not THEY are TIRED of the FIGHT!!

Thank GOD our FOUNDING FATHERS were POSTERITY MINDED and not instant gratification freaks like those who inhabit the halls of freedom today!!

[Frank Sheed]

Some people (or factions, more correctly; the so-called "village idiots") within the US and the US Congress might wish that this conflict will just go away. After all, the American involvement in Vietnam was able to end because it was half a world away and there was zero chance that the Vietnamese would follow us back to the US. The conflict was "in theater."

Anyone with that attitude should simply follow blogs such as Bill Roggio, the Belmont Club or In From the Cold (as just several examples). For starters:

http://billroggio.com/archives/2007/01/pakistans_insurgency.php

It will become eminently clear that the forces we are fighting are struggling for supremacy in Somalia, Pakistan, the Philippines, Chechyna and other areas around the world. This is not about Iraq. It is about two incompatible world views.

[yoe]

"The reason South Vietnam was unable to resist that offensive was because our Congress had weakened its military capabilities, left it politically isolated and refused to allow us to help when help was most needed. It is with this horrible lesson of pusillanimity and dishonor that one must view current Democratic Party proposals to cut off funding for the war in Iraq. Remarkably, senators like Patrick Leahy are now actually advocating going further than Democrats did back then, proposing a cutoff of funds not just to an allied government following a peace settlement but to American troops still fighting the enemy in the field. Even more remarkable have been the comments from Leahy and some of his colleagues holding up the cutoff of funding to South Vietnam as a model for how the war in Iraq should be ended. One wonders if he and the others in the surrender-now clique have heard of the boat people, the killing fields of Cambodia or any of the other horrors that befell Southeast Asia after we left the region. "

Contact this murderous traitor -FREEP the heck out of him:

SENATOR PACTRICK LEAHY
(202) 224-4242
senator_leahy@leahy.senate.gov

[PATRICK HENRY USA]

good post,not only we lost but millions lost their lives when the commies invaded SV. and 20 years of a crapy country.

[Tolik]

Nailed It!

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[Edgerunner]

Sending this to libs I know. (This ought to piss them off!)