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Indy has nothing we'd want (Chicago Sportswriter Disses Indiana & Colts Big Time)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | January 28, 2007 | GREG COUCH Sun-Times Columnist

Posted on 01/28/2007 5:36:34 AM PST by Chi-townChief

It has become one of the great American sports traditions, the political bet. A major game gets people all worked up and happy at the same time, not worrying about snow removal, potholes or taxes. And that makes it safe for a governor or mayor to get in on it. So rival politicians bet something that screams out the identity of their hometowns. Two weeks ago the Bears beat the Seattle Seahawks, and Mayor Daley took Seattle Mayor Greg Nickles for beer, coffee and salmon. (Too bad that when the stuff arrived, the beer bottles had broken and drenched the coffee-flavored chocolates.) Last week the Bears beat the New Orleans Saints, and Mayor Daley won beignets.

But with the Bears about to play the Indianapolis Colts in the Super Bowl, we have a problem:

What could Indiana possibly have to bet that we would want?

I mean, Chicago can offer Indiana pizza, ribs, beef sandwiches and dental work. But do we really need ballcaps with farm company names on them?

Rumor has it Indianapolis Gov. Mitch Daniels wants to offer up Gary.

I don't often admit this, but I have some friends in Indiana. I called them to ask what they could bet.

''How about corn?''

We have corn.

''Soy?''

Another Indiana friend said they love their pork-tenderloin sandwiches, and that did sound good.

''Pork tenderloin and a carton of cigarettes,'' he said.

Someone else suggested tickets to the Indy 500, but there are two problems with that: One, they just drive around in circles all day. Two, we have to go to Indiana to see it.

Indiana has a serious image problem in Chicago. To us, it seems like a big truck stop between cities.

A few years ago, my brother-in-law started dating a woman from Fort Wayne. Before meeting her, I had to keep reminding myself to talk slowly and not stare at her tooth.

Channeling Royko Indiana has Notre Dame, but that always seemed like a Chicago school filled with Chicago kids. They had a great movie, ''Hoosiers.'' But the story of Illinois' tiny Hebron was just as good. Their greatest sports hero is a guy who wore red sweaters, threw chairs across a basketball court and choked his own players. Eventually, they kicked him out.

''Eli Lilly is based in Indianapolis,'' a friend said.

Yes, but why would we need Prozac if the Bears win?

''They also make Cialis.''

Here's a thought: If the Bears win, then Indiana gives back Eric Gordon. He's the high school basketball phenom from Indianapolis who had committed to the Illini until new Indiana coach Kelvin Sampson got him to change his mind.

I do have a thing against Indiana. It is ingrained in all Chicagoans. And then confirmed through experience.

For Chicagoans, these feelings came to a head in 1982 with Mike Royko's columns in the Sun-Times. And part of the fun was watching Indiana people get so uppity about it.

''For most males in Indiana, a real good time consists of putting on bib overalls and a cap bearing the name of a farm equipment company and sauntering to a gas station to sit around and gossip about how Elmer couldn't get his pickup truck started that morning,'' he wrote.

And this: ''Its only large cities are Indianapolis and Gary, which give you the choice of dying of boredom or of multiple gunshot wounds.''

God, he would have loved this Bears-Colts week.

One time in Indianapolis, I went to grab some dinner just after 10 p.m., and everything was closed. I ended up having to go to a White Castle, where I stood in line for 20 minutes behind a hooker and a pimp. I wrote about that once, and several people from Indiana asked why I wanted to eat that late in the first place.

Once after a basketball game, I went to a nearby bar in downtown Indianapolis. The place was packed with everyone having fun, and they were playing retro music from the 1970s. It was a nice community thing, how everyone had bought into the whole theme and dressed in 1970s clothes and hair.

Turned out, that wasn't a theme.

Do they know what a Hoosier is? These people excitedly call themselves Hoosiers, without knowing what it means. There all sorts of theories. In the old days, Indiana people were so rough that they always would fight in bars. By the end of the night, someone would see a piece of something on the floor and ask, ''Whose ear?'' Eventually, that morphed into Hoosier.

But on indiana.edu, Jeffrey Graf of the reference department of the Indiana University Libraries says that Southerners used to use the term Hoosier ''to denote a rustic, a bumpkin, a countryman, a roughneck, a hick or an awkward, uncouth or unskilled fellow.''

He described the ''cousins'' of the word Hoosier to be ''cracker'' and ''redneck.''

So here's the deal: If the Colts win, Indiana promises to keep its stuff.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: bears; bearsgotspanked; colts; hoosiersrule; superbowl
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To: Chi-townChief

well, in about a week, indy will have a superbowl trophy. would chicago like that?


61 posted on 01/28/2007 11:33:41 AM PST by thefactor
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To: Republic

I agree. Downtown Indy is bustling, at least on weekends. Who goes to downtown Chicago? During the day,yes. It was always dead at night. I don't count the Navy Pier. I lived in Dayton, too and you're right. It's been dead during the day for years, ever since the Arcade closed.


62 posted on 01/28/2007 11:52:47 AM PST by boop (Now Greg, you know I don't like that WORD!)
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To: The Worthless Miracle
25-30 years ago I would have agreed with you. They used to roll up the streets and 6 when the office closed and the people went home the suburbs, but that has changed. With CC Mall, The Symphony, new restaurants ect. there is almost always something going on downtown. Add in Broad Ripple and the Keystone at the Crossing area and there is a lot happening in Indy these days. You have major sports, Concerts, museums, theater and you can actually get to them. I have spent time in Chicago over the years and like most large cities getting anywhere is hell. That is one of the reason we got the Big Ten Tourney. because the hotels, restaurants and Stadium are all close together and easy to get to.
63 posted on 01/28/2007 12:15:08 PM PST by redangus
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To: redangus

Diehard Browns fan who grew up in Cleveland and has lived in Indy for 24 yrs.
Great town, wonderful place to raise my kids, most likely I'll retire here too. IIRC the best ratio of salaries to housing cost in the country.
Irsay blows (taxpayer fleecing owner) but Manning and Dungy seem like stand-up guys.
SB 41 really should be played at Ross-Ade, ND, or Champaign.


64 posted on 01/28/2007 12:29:21 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: JRochelle
****I've been to the Indiana Dunes only once. Every piece of trash from Chicago was there. People grilling in the parking lot!****

It has been a few years since we've been there, but I'm surprised the Park Rangers didn't stop that cr@p. They used to be pretty tough.

But I (we) always went/go to the camp ground area. The only worry there was the raccoons - bold as hell to get food. And we'd usually walk to the beach depending how hot it was. There's a trail from the campground.

65 posted on 01/28/2007 1:01:28 PM PST by Condor51 (The demoncRATs don't want another 'Vietnam' - they want another Dien Bien Phu.)
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To: Chi-townChief

"Chicago can offer ... dental work"

Oh, my. Oh, my, my, my.
This is gonna be nasty. LOL


66 posted on 01/28/2007 1:13:55 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: Chi-townChief

I have no dog in this fight either, but I have very fond memories of Indiana. First, the church I grew up in is HQ'ed in Anderson and my family and I would go to camp meeting every year when I was growing up. Friendly people all around. Nice small town and great soft serve ice cream. My second encounter with Indiana was going to Navy technical school at Ft. Ben. Harrison. Every Friday night on payday, all us Navy gals would go to the Emporium bar where they had a vast collection of beer available. We'd also hang out at a bar near the post, play pool and sing to the jukebox. I like small towns and the friendly people you normally meet there. I hope the Colts plant Grossman into the ground.


67 posted on 01/28/2007 1:15:57 PM PST by rabidralph (Hoo-ray, Beer!)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

"There's no cultural centers, every place downtown is closed early, it's a ghost town after 9 pm.'

When you finally decide to leave, don't go to Amarillo, Texas. It exactly the same, only with more used mattress stores downtown.


68 posted on 01/28/2007 1:18:44 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: gcruse

"When you finally decide to leave, don't go to Amarillo, Texas. It exactly the same, only with more used mattress stores downtown."

lol. Ok. Same goes for Lansing, MI.


69 posted on 01/28/2007 7:05:43 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle (I think Jamie Dupree is annoying.)
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To: mewzilla

All written in the spirit of honest competition. I am sure that there will be similar articles from the newspapers in Indiana.


70 posted on 01/28/2007 7:23:09 PM PST by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: Strategerist

Indy apparently lacks the character to rename the team to something related to their city. I might suggest "Indianapolis Glasses of Milk".


71 posted on 01/28/2007 7:33:46 PM PST by StockAyatollah
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To: Strategerist
Gee, I suppose Chitown could bet us some Gang Bangers, Illegals, illegal gang bangers...

Funny thing is, their QB is a Hoosier. Considering his inconstancy; I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. :-/

Not sure if they have anything I want. I know I'm tired of liberal Chigaoians moving down here.

72 posted on 01/28/2007 8:33:52 PM PST by AFreeBird (This space for rent. Inquire within)
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To: AFreeBird
Gee, I suppose Chitown could bet us some Gang Bangers, Illegals, illegal gang bangers...

And that's just the politicians. It goes downhill from there. They even let criminals play on the team and give them special recognition for breaking the law.

73 posted on 01/29/2007 4:10:05 AM PST by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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To: Delta Dawn
I am sure that there will be similar articles from the newspapers in Indiana.

If you see one, let me know :)

74 posted on 01/29/2007 4:10:44 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: StockAyatollah

I'm Cleveland fan but live in Indy.
I agree 100% the Colts name and memorabilia should have stayed in Baltimore, as the Browns stuff did in Cleveland.
Even after 22 years the name "Indianapolis Colts" just doesn't sound right.
Many folks thought "Indianapolis Irsays" would be appropriate. After all the Browns were named after Paul Brown, so why not use the owner's name in Indianapolis? And the Baltimore "Ravens" name sounds wrong too.
Having said all this, there's no chance any of it will change.


75 posted on 01/29/2007 5:31:21 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: StockAyatollah

Geez, give it a rest. Not our fault. I hate milk. Some of us do ride horses. Nice horse farms around. Do people in all the important parts of the USA drink milk?


76 posted on 01/29/2007 5:34:50 AM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: Miss Marple
Then they won't move down here.

Move to Indianapolis? For what?

77 posted on 01/29/2007 5:38:29 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Condor51

Do you know how you can tell the toothbrush was invented in Indiana and not Illinois? Because if it had been invented in Illinois it would have been called a teeth brush.


78 posted on 01/29/2007 5:39:58 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: smug
After the game we will, it's called the Vince Lombardi Trophy

Y'all will just go and try and stick mudflaps on it.

79 posted on 01/29/2007 5:42:42 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Move to Indianapolis? For what?

If you're into auto racing, it's unbeatable.

Indy 500

Formula 1

Nascar

US National Drags

coming soon: Grand Prix motorcycles

plus a plethora of short track activity all over the region

and a huge number of racing teams, equipment manufacturers, suppliers, etc.

80 posted on 01/29/2007 5:42:56 AM PST by nascarnation
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