Posted on 01/27/2007 8:42:25 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
(CBS) NEW YORK -- After all the hinting hemming and hawing about whether they are really in the race Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani left no doubt in the minds of voters that they are serious about a presidential run in 2008.
"As a republican and I'm very, very optimistic that we're gonna turn this around and that we're gonna turn it around very, very quickly. Meaning this year, in time for 2008," said Giuliani-R , Former NYC Mayor at an engagement in New Hampshire.
And Senator Clinton confirmed her White House intentions in Iowa with her newly innovated slogan "I'm in it to win it."
"They're both in the race. Hillary has a much bigger organization set up. She's been raising money nationally longer," said political analyst Joseph Mercurio, about the man who was nicknamed America's Mayor after 9/11 and the senator who would be returning to the White House this time in the top job. "He's got a tremendous amount of name recognition nationally. He needs to set up a national organization before he's fully plunged into the race. But, undoubtedly he's running just as well as she is," he said.
So, what happens if it shakes out to be a Hillary versus Rudy battle for the white house in 08?
Mercurio says, "it would obviously good if one or the other of them won for New York City or the state how that plays in the rest of the country whether the New York image is a drag or not is a whole other conversation."
It most certainly does. I've received the responses and freepmail to prove it. And if Giuliani's statements and actions between 1988 and 2001 are irrelevant, then his entire term as mayor (and all of the purported successes he had) and his role during the 9/11 attacks (about the only leg he really has to stand on) are irrelevant. You can't have it both ways.
No one leaves the house to go vote AGAINST someone. Blowing down someone's house doesn't give you a warm place to sleep.
But that's precisely what so many Rudy-Rooters here are insisting the everyone do. They don't care that Rudy is a pro-abortion, gun-grabbing, pro-amnesty, pro-radical gay agenda, pro-UN, anti-GOP Platform, serial adulterer, northeast liberal lawyer. And they don't want anyone else to care. They just want everyone to cast their vote AGAINST the Democrat no matter how liberal or offensive the Republican candidate is. They think that, for some reason, the Republican candidate - whomever he may be - whether he is Satan incarnate - is ENTITLED to every Republican's vote as a vote AGAINST Hillary. It is the Rudy-Rooters here, insisting upon lockstep voting, that are the ones who want people to leave their homes to vote against someone. And, you're right, that's not how people work. That's not going to appeal to the voters in Rudy's case.
We had to hold our noses and vote for Bob Dole. We had to hold our noses and vote for George Bush. Each candidate grew increasingly more liberal, but we all had to go vote against the Democrat monster. And now the liberals in the party are making their "hail Mary" pass and putting the most liberal major Republican presidential candidate ever up as the candidate that we have to put in as a vote against the Hillary monster. They're pretending that no other candidate of the over half a dozen candidates can ever win - as if they've got a crystal ball or something But it's all a lie to get the votes that they feel entitled to. And no one leaves the house to go vote AGAINST someone anymore. If that's the strategy, we will lose bad in 2008.
You're a real piece of work.
It isn't "about me." It's about the easily percieved certainty, garnered from experience and from a knowledge of life and politics, that if you do "A", "B" will result.
If you pick a nominee that isn't acceptable to the component parts of the GOP coalition, that coalition will fall to pieces in short order. But, nothing is going to change your determination to push your liberal agenda no matter what, so good night.
You've got it nailed.
The liberal schemers are thrilled with how things are shaking out. If Hillary, Obama, or Richardson wins, they get a liberal in the White House. But if Giuliani wins, they not only get a liberal in the White House, they get to see the destruction of the Republican Party in the process, ensuring a liberal in the White House and a liberal controlled Congress for many years to come. I wish these people understood the folly of supporting Rudy Giuliani for President.
It isn't just Giuliani, it's Romney or McCain.
Any of them will doom the Grand Old Party.
We've got a couple of others who are seriously flawed as well. But that's another conversation...
Romney may have the very same effect on the party, although he's recanted his past liberal views - if you believe him. He may convince enough Republicans to believe him, and that why I say MAY have the same effect. I don't like that kind of gamble and I don't support Romney.
McCain's opposition in his own state is indicative of his opposition throughout the party. However, I think he has even less of a chance of splitting the party, like Giuliani or Romney, but I don't think his chances are good in the general election either.
It is my greatest concern that Giuliani represents the 'perfect storm' here. His liberal, anti-GOP platform views are offensive to most of the grassroots of the party and his baggage gained as mayor of New York will be offensive to nearly every Democrat and most of the Independents. His nomination will likely cause a permanent split on the party and he will lose the general election. I'm not convinced that McCain or Romney represent an identical 'perfect storm' scenario. But I haven't looked as hard at either one of them lately as I have Giuliani. You may be right about them, but I'm not quite there yet.
I'm not asking you to vote for Rudy. Let me repeat. I'm not asking to vote for Rudy or for anyone. I'm asking you how you feel you are doing so far in preventing abortion? - something that you have stated is very important to you.
You might as well just call yourself "Operation Clinton".
If people like you get your way we will have another 8 years of The Arkansas Grifters in the White House. Your country will thank you, and be very proud of you.
With your track record, EV, supporting Alan - the street preacher - Keyes for President and Senate - and losing both times - I can't say your political predictions mean a whole lot to me :-)
"If you don't support a liberal, conservatism will die. If you don't support Rudy McRomney, you support Hillary, and hate our troops."
No, it is simpler than that. If you don't support a candidate who can win, you will put Hillary in the White House, with Slick for 8 years.
And so little time. Gosh, if it isn't Rudy - it could be Romney - oh dear - or possibly McCain - oh dear
Lions and tigers and bears :-)
Imagine - there are republicans who are going to vote for each of these people that you don't agree with :-)
So much doom and gloom :-)
You could always try and really scare people :-)
You've thought of that, though right? :-)
I've been a Republican PC for 3 terms now, served as state delegate twice (though I missed out this year), served as President of a conservative Republican Club for 3 years, served as chapter president for another conservative organization, served as chapter president for a pro-life organization, worked on 3 congressional campaigns for conservative Republican candidates, donated countless hours to conservative causes, and this last election I put in well over 1,000 volunteer hours supporting a conservative Republican congressional candidate. I speak almost daily with the county GOP chairman, providing advice and support and volunteering within the party as needed. I've donated hundreds of dollars to worthy conservative Republican candidates (I'm not rich enough to donate much more than time) and conservative causes. I've written hundreds of letters and emails and faxes, lobbied my representatives, protested the worst ones, and have stood several times with the D.C. Chapter of Free Republic in supporting the troops and their mission in front of the gates of the White House, Walter Reed Army Medical Center, and other locations. So, don't tell me to get up and do something. You don't know that of which you speak, bud.
What I'm doing here right now is a.)trying to convince FReepers, who are supposed to be conservative, to dump liberal Giuliani and b.)honing my arguments against Giuliani and getting fired up to do the opposition research that must be done to sink his chances at the nomination. Once things shake out a bit, and a somewhat conservative frontrunner emerges, I'll join up and help him out. In the meantime, I will share the information I've collected that demonstrates Giuliani is a terrible choice and share it within my local and state party and elsewhere.
As a conservative Republican, I can't sit idly by and watch my party self destruct by ignorantly nominating a liberal trojan horse to be their presidential candidate. The set of voters which the GOP has relied upon to get presidential candidates elected, or nearly elected as the case may be during the Clinton era, will not be there for Giuliani. It will crumble. We will lose the White House and the party will not soon recover - if ever - if a single GOP party even survives and doesn't officially split.
Luke 10: 25-37
I'm not sure you could live up to that. I'm still waiting for you to give the numbers - how much money Alan - the street preacher - Keyes rasied for pro-life groups and how much money was raised altogether. That's the kind of thing that someone who adheres to their principles wouldn't need to have explained to them, of course.
But yes, I would welcome your choosing to live by your principles. I think that would be a wonderful thing.
So Spiff, how do you feel you are doing so far in preventing abortions nation-wide? :-)
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