Posted on 01/27/2007 8:55:29 AM PST by spintreebob
There are two important points on immigration.
First, it didn't save anyone
Second it came into play in only about 15 races and the GOP lost most of those.
The general public may have been slow to get there, for several good reasons, but they are well informed on immigration as well as other issues that are dear to the far right. If you look at Hayworth's TV ad where he is spittin' and snarlin' the immigration and Mexico totalization mis-info, he sounds just like one of the kooks at FR.
The residents of Scottsdale are not ignorant and they have common sense also. They didn't buy it.
Hayworth went with enforcement only, and lost.
She's such an idiot. Maybe she should resign just for that. The Karen from last year would never have resigned in a crisis just to protect her husband from a weasel.
Oops, wrong thread. back to the 24 live thread.
wanderer,
Are you referring to me as "moderate" ?
The simple fact is that a big government, expensive, anti-free market response to immigration is not conservative. Population control rhetoric dominates the anti-immigration movement. This turns off social conservatives.
Trying to wrap anti-immigration in the label "conservative" does not make it so.
Rove was against the NRCC TV ads from what I hear. The house hired their own professional consultants to develop the ads. Those consultants should refund their consulting fees.
It is NOT in the interest of corporate America to support any mean-spiritedness. It is in their best interest to allow the free market to rule with no labeling of workers as "illegal". It is also in their interest for immigration to separate out terrorists, welfare parasites and truly bad people from the ordinary workers.
Nevertheless, the concern about "wire transfers" is RETARDED! We don't live in a "zero sum" economy, despite what populist retards like Lou Dobbs think.
Let's face it: the ONLY people who care about illegal immigration as their main issue are CONSERVATIVES. Most swing voters either shrug or don't give a sh-t. It doesn't help that the only folks who show up at anti-illegal rallies are a bunch of pot bellied, ball cap wearing, American Splendor reject.
What you just posted, summarized: "Real" conservatives are stupid, dishonest and out of touch with reality. Yep. Sounds about right.
It is in corporate interests, however, to continue to have access to a "disposable" worker pool....effective border management interferes with that goal. Effective anti-illegal immigration politics , from that perspective, is contrary to their interests. The best way to derail an anti-illegal immigration politician is to label him anti-immigrant.(or, for that matter, an anti-illegal immigration party)
Such as Senator Tom Coburn, who has been outstanding in fighting illegal immigration.
It doesn't help that the only folks who show up at anti-illegal rallies are a bunch of pot bellied, ball cap wearing, American Splendor reject.
What was the date and location of this event you witnessed? Would the above be your description of James Sensenbrenner, the Congressman who co-sponsored HR4437? Would it be your description of FReepers who showed up to rally in support of the Minuteman caravan last Summer?
Besides, who DOESN'T wear a ball cap these days and who has an absolutely flat abdomen? Would that fit the description of "small 'l' libertarians" such as yourself?
LOL... I've been to some anti-illegal rallies that have had people who are extremely well trained & physically fit. Didn't realize that people who went to rallies needed to fit the Cosmo & GQ perfect image that the media likes to portray. Rather than criticizing the people who actually get up and go to rallies, why not talk about those who don't care that there is an enormous number of Americans who have been harmed by the criminals who pass through the nation's open borders. There are many unnamed victims who have been killed, raped, robbed, crippled and otherwise personally violated. It is particularly shocking that even in post-911 America, the government still refuses to protect the people in the most basic ways from the world's terrorists and criminals who enter at will to do as they please.
I thought that conservatives actually wanted the laws to be followed and wanted to stop criminals from entering the country. Illegals do not belong here. Let them get in line and wait like the rest of the world has to do.
Wanderer, my friend.
1) Illegals ARE waiting patiently in line. Most immigrants FIRST come here illegally. THEN they get in line to make it legal. As you can well imagine, the government bureaucrats do not move very quickly.
2) If we make something legal, then it is no longer illegal. Problem solved.
Now let's get to the important stuff.
Dave Pittinger, former president of TapRoot is running for village trustee. He'd love your support and if you could volunteer for him big time, a little time, whatever you can manage.
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