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Atrocity in Karbala
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| 1-27-07
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Posted on 01/27/2007 7:09:04 AM PST by veronica
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posted on
01/27/2007 7:09:05 AM PST
by
veronica
To: veronica
This is absolutely horrible! Prayers going up for these brave men and their families.
As I type this, there is a terrible atrocity happening in Washington DC. Jane Fonda, and supposedly thousands like her are protesting the war in front of the Navy Memorial. May God have mercy on their souls.
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posted on
01/27/2007 7:14:44 AM PST
by
basil
(Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
To: veronica
To: HangnJudge
I hope so. But we've been so PC about fighting this war, I'm afraid it won't happen.
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posted on
01/27/2007 7:18:59 AM PST
by
veronica
(http://z8.invisionfree.com/Tears_of_a_Kloughn/index.php?showforum=1)
To: veronica
A lot more of theirs are dying / captured than ours
We only hear of the bad stuff, thanks to the MSM
To: basil
Wonder if Fonda will recruit Kerry to come and speak? It seems like losers attract each other.
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posted on
01/27/2007 7:26:03 AM PST
by
SLB
(Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
To: veronica
Perceptions still need to be analyzed. Meaning we were tricked... imho of course
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posted on
01/27/2007 7:28:47 AM PST
by
ßuddaßudd
(7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
To: veronica
in the Shiite holy city godless sh*thole of KarbalaFixed it.
God bless the fallen and their families.
To: basil
Some people in our country aren't worth defending and Hanoi Jane is certainly one of them. She's not fit to lick our soldiers' boots. I absolutely hate that woman!!
This horrendous attack in Karbala makes me so mad! An eye for an eye - may the revenge of our military rain down on the inhuman, worthless scum responsible. I pray that they die the most awful death imaginable and the hell with the Geneva Convention.
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posted on
01/27/2007 7:42:01 AM PST
by
fishergirl
(Proud mom of an Iraq war veteran - to all our veterans Thank You and God Bless)
To: veronica
And our men and women get court martialed and jailed for putting panties on the heads of terrorists.
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posted on
01/27/2007 7:46:41 AM PST
by
poobear
(Carter & Clinton - 'The Latter Day Church Of Jew Haters & Horndogs')
To: veronica
One of the reasons that a fight in Sadr city won't be as tough as people think is that this story illustrates well how the Madi militia operates. They're quite good at putting a bullet into their enemies brain at close range, but little else. It's my opinion that since al Qaeda blew up the Golden Dome in Samara last year that militant extremist Shia and the Mahdi army decided to pursue a solution similar to the one Milosevic tried and what the Guatamalan, and El Salvadoran armies tried. That is, they'd have death squads liquidate their foes. To behave like a gangster, you need only to be amoral. To function as a military fighting force, requires many skills, but discipline and order are paramount. The Mahdi army has fought one real battle with the US. That was in Najaf. Their losses were huge. Armies whose primary fighting skill is the shooting of unarmed foes don't function well against a real army. The the US in the meantime has won two major urban battles - Falluja and Tall Afar. From these two battles, the US and its coalition partners have fined tuned their TTPs - tactics, techniques, and practices. As a result, our forces are better at urban warfare than ever before. The MSM may be keeping these facts and factors from the American public, but al Sadr and his gangsters are well aware they're going face a violent onslaught soon that will destroy them, unless they stand down. The Sunni extremists and their al Qaeda allies will likely stand, fight poorly, and be destroyed. They may slip away to find some new haven to harass the Iraqi people and Coalition Forces from. If so, the war will be in its final phase.
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posted on
01/27/2007 7:47:21 AM PST
by
elhombrelibre
(After 9/11, Bush went to war with terrorists and their supporters. Democrats war against him.)
To: poobear
It's enough to gag a maggot.
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posted on
01/27/2007 7:47:48 AM PST
by
veronica
(http://z8.invisionfree.com/Tears_of_a_Kloughn/index.php?showforum=1)
To: veronica
See John Burns on Charlie Rose.
http://www.charlierose.com:80/
Rose is a Brit, a New York Times Reporter, and probably the best informed journalist in Iraq. Despite being from the NYT, he's not writing boilerplate stories and he's well read in on Iraq from the highest Generals to the man in the street. Pour yourself a cup of coffee if you watch this because it's an hour long and you'll feel like you have been with one of the few reporters who knows, understands, and cares what happens in Iraq afterward.
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posted on
01/27/2007 7:52:03 AM PST
by
elhombrelibre
(After 9/11, Bush went to war with terrorists and their supporters. Democrats war against him.)
To: veronica
From the article: "...Frankly, complaints about degrading photos and alleged desecration of the Koran can't hold a candle to the savage abduction and execution-style murders of brave soldiers..."
I propose we close our military prisons and treat their prisoners like they treat ours. They need to fear us rather then look at us as easy targets.
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posted on
01/27/2007 8:06:25 AM PST
by
mcshot
("If it ain't broke it doesn't have enough features." paraphrased anon.)
To: veronica
The killers traveled in vehicles used by U.S. government convoys, wore U.S. combat fatigues, had American weapons and spoke English. That got them past an army checkpoint and into a U.S. compound - where they opened fire with grenades and rifles.The got into the compound. But how the heck did they get out? They shot their way out?
Prayers for these men and thier families.
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posted on
01/27/2007 8:07:13 AM PST
by
Rummyfan
(Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
To: veronica
Good article. Thanks for posting.
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posted on
01/27/2007 8:09:37 AM PST
by
PGalt
To: Rummyfan
I've been wondering the same thing. I wonder what this is all about?
None of this makes sense to me yet.
To: Rummyfan; I got the rope
According to fragmentary news reports, gleaned from things I have seen in the press and what other posters have seen in their press, it appears that they abandoned the uniforms and the vehicles and simply disappeared into Karbala (a Shiite area) after killing the soldiers. Before they left the compound with the kidnapped soldiers, they blew up the US Humvees that were there so that they could not be pursued. I haven't read how many people were actually stationed at the post; I assume the fifth person killed (only 4 are mentioned as having been kidnapped) was killed at the post. Maybe there wasn't anyone left to follow the kidnappers, or maybe after the vehicles were destroyed, whoever was left alive there couldn't do so.
Another report mentioned that the convoy of raiders "raised suspicions" at an Iraqi police post they went through after the raid, but it doesn't indicate if the kidnapped soldiers were still in the vehicles, if the Iraqis actually did anything about these "suspicions," or any details. I realize we certainly can't expect to get a detailed description of stuff, some of which may rightfully be being kept secret at the moment, so we're probably all just speculating on woefully incomplete information. But it is a truly puzzling and disturbing event.
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posted on
01/27/2007 11:14:01 AM PST
by
livius
To: Rummyfan; I got the rope
Almost forgot - another poster pointed out that this was how Hezbollah, the Iranian controlled faction, kidnapped those Israeli soldiers at the Lebanese border last summer. In that case, however, they held them as hostages.
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posted on
01/27/2007 11:20:13 AM PST
by
livius
To: basil; All
My son and his unit were there immediately afterward. I'm disgusted. "They" are treating this like a freakin' "crime scene" instead of what it really is.......
Trust me when I tell you all here.....we are NOT in this to win. We have shackled our troops with the most ridiculous rules of engagement imaginable. Our highly trained troops are little more than cops now. They want to kick ass and take NO names, and are being held back at every turn. Their frustration is palpable.
GOD but I prayed the stupid government wasn't going to repeat the mistakes of Vietnam. You get into a fight, then damn it, get in it to WIN.
Let 'em fight or bring 'em home......one or the other. It's just that simple. I'm sick of my son and his troops under his command just sitting around being targets.
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