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Rudy opposes gay nups ban (3/8/2004)
New York Daily News ^ | 3/8/2004 | JAMES GORDON MEEK

Posted on 01/26/2007 12:29:42 PM PST by Ol' Sparky

WASHINGTON - Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani, who lived with a gay Manhattan couple when he moved out of Gracie Mansion during his nasty divorce.

Giuliani took his gay rights stance just as speculation hits a fever pitch that he's in line to replace Cheney on Bush's ticket.

Cheney and New York Sen. Hillary Clinton fueled the vice presidential talk at Saturday night's Gridiron Dinner in Washington.

To a mock question from the audience asking Cheney to step aside for someone with "new energy and vitality," the veep turned to Giuliani and zinged: "You need to do a better job of disguising your handwriting."

Asked yesterday whether he would run with Bush if Cheney stepped aside, the mayor-turned-businessman mimicked Marlon Brando in "The Godfather": "An offer I couldn't refuse, right?" But he didn't say no.

Giuliani conceded he's "out of sync" with his party's conservative base, but likened himself to other moderate GOP stars like Gov. Pataki and Calif. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

And while he was cagey on the veep talk, the former mayor said he will run for elected office again, but didn't say which one.

Giuliani is considered a leading GOP hopeful in the 2008 presidential race, though he may decide to challenge Clinton in her 2006 Senate reelection bid.

But for now, Giuliani has been making the rounds burnishing the President's terror-fighting credentials and joining in Republican attempts to portray Kerry as a would-be waffler-in-chief.

He once more defended Bush's use of footage of a flag-draped coffin coming out of Ground Zero in controversial new political ads.

"To leave [Sept. 11] out of a political campaign when you're running for reelection cuts out half your leadership," he said. "I mean, it would make no sense."

But Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who ran against Bush in 2000, disagreed.

"I might not have used the ad of the coffin coming out, or the body coming out of the ruins with a flag on it," he told ABC's "This Week."

Originally published on March 8, 2004


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: buthecanwin; giulianirino; homosexualagenda
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To: Ol' Sparky

Where's tomcorn? Who is splitting the party?


121 posted on 01/26/2007 2:00:20 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: Ol' Sparky

So what???


122 posted on 01/26/2007 2:01:12 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: babaloo

The people that post that photo as a derogatory statement on Rudy's character make me ill.


Many normal men have done such things in good fun. The problem with Rudy is that he is soft on the homosexual agenda. So, the photo seems slightly appropriate.


123 posted on 01/26/2007 2:01:37 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (“No, I have not supported that," Guiliani when asked about a ban on partial birth abortion)
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To: JennysCool

Yeah it appears we've been snowed again by Ol'Spooky.


124 posted on 01/26/2007 2:03:03 PM PST by dc-zoo
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To: GulfBreeze
The only hope Rudy would have in rallying the Christians attention would be to hammer the WOT day in and day out as a clash of religions.

As mayor of NYC in the wake of 9/11 ex-prosecutor Giuliani made it his personal obsession to know each day exactly where in the city who was making hateful noises about Islam so he could bring the full force of the NYPD to bear to crack heads to ensure everyone was thinking happy and loving thoughts about Islam:

" There is precedent for collecting such data nationally. The Hate Crimes Statistics Act, passed by Congress in 1990, requires the federal government to acquire data on crimes that 'manifest prejudice based on race, religion, sexual orientation, or ethnicity.' This information is an invaluable tool to police officials. It also holds them, and our elected officials, accountable for increases in hate crimes within their jurisdictions. Second, just as important as collecting this information is making sure that it is not allowed to languish in some desk drawer. There must be analysis of and reaction to crime data on a regular basis. Critical to the success of New York City's CompStat program were weekly accountability meetings in which police officials would plan officer deployments, share successful strategies, praise good work and constructively criticize areas found to have fallen short of established goals." -- Rudy Giuliani

125 posted on 01/26/2007 2:04:02 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Ol' Sparky
I wonder what political advisor told Rudy this would be a good idea - Bill Clinton?
126 posted on 01/26/2007 2:04:05 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: PhilCollins

Gingrich is unlikely to get in (unless drafted which I find not likely.) Brownback has and will have virtually no conservative support because he and What-his-name, the Gov. of Arkansas, are taking on some liberal issues, just not on the the social issues, more straddling that doesn't fool anybody. McCain hasn't had any conservative support since before 2000. Hunter will get absolutely no $ except what he's able to raise strictly from grassroots people as he is not only the Democrats worst nightmare, but also the worst nightmare of the Rockefeller Republicans. One of them may survive to see Iowa. If I had to guess, I'd say it will be Hunter as he can raise enthusiasm if not $. Tancredo is another possibility, but he'll be without $ and won't be hard to paint as "mean" like the press does to Cheney.


127 posted on 01/26/2007 2:04:05 PM PST by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: trumandogz

How am I going to explain to my children the President Giuliani thought that it would be okay for their mommy to kill them while they were still in her womb?


Unfortunately, Rudy thinks it's okay to have babies intentionally birthed feet first and then when all but the head is out, you poke a hole in the babies head and suck it's brain out.


128 posted on 01/26/2007 2:04:38 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (“No, I have not supported that," Guiliani when asked about a ban on partial birth abortion)
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To: BunnySlippers

He thinks abortion shouldn't happen. But he does not support making it illegal.


Would you still support him if he didn't think little children should be molested but he also didn't think the molestation should be made illegal?


129 posted on 01/26/2007 2:08:56 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (“No, I have not supported that," Guiliani when asked about a ban on partial birth abortion)
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To: freedomfiter2
Rudy is indistinguishable from the two Clintons on abortion. They all agree it's a terrible thing, but that it would be even more terrible to allow the states to restrict it.

In other words, they fully support it.

130 posted on 01/26/2007 2:14:46 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles

The Clintons support abortion and so does Rudy. As much as wishy washy politicians wish it were so, there are no gray areas. Enough of this B.S. of "I am personally opposed but..." It's either right or wrong. Abortion is wrong, there's no middle ground.


131 posted on 01/26/2007 2:18:57 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: freedomfiter2

This is a subject matter that the left HATES to hear. The procedure is so grotesque and cruel that it cannot be shown to people. Ever notice how the liberals never even try to defend it? It it because they KNOW it is a horrible death to a child.


132 posted on 01/26/2007 2:20:34 PM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: areafiftyone

“Murder and graffiti are two vastly different crimes,” he explained.


He's right but murder and abortion are not different.


133 posted on 01/26/2007 2:24:18 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (“No, I have not supported that," Guiliani when asked about a ban on partial birth abortion)
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To: Ol' Sparky

"Giuliani conceded he's "out of sync" with his party's conservative base, but likened himself to other moderate GOP stars like Gov. Pataki and Calif. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger."


N...U...F...F S...A...I...D



You Rudy supporters HAVE to be kidding!


134 posted on 01/26/2007 2:25:42 PM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Gay-loving, gun-grabbing, illegal-alien-accepting, baby-killing, police-state RINO.


135 posted on 01/26/2007 2:34:08 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: Ol' Sparky
RINO-rudy was for it...

before he was against it.

I trust this RINO almost as much as I trust john f'ing kerry.

136 posted on 01/26/2007 2:36:45 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: word_warrior_bob
To call Rudy a RINO is a stretch.

You're living in a drug-induced FANTASY land if you REALLY believe this.

And there are TOO MANY, SOLID conservatives out there to choose from, to even TAKE A CHANCE that this gun-grabbing, gay-loving, pro-death (for babies, that is) won't bring his liberal northeast corridor, inner-city, jack-booted big-government ways with him to the presidency.

Just say NO to ANY and ALL RINOs.

137 posted on 01/26/2007 2:42:27 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: areafiftyone

Single issue voters are the reason GW won in 04.

There are many voters who would have voted for Kerry, had he been pro-life.

I know several of them.


138 posted on 01/26/2007 2:42:52 PM PST by JRochelle
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To: DocH

If you see what else I wrote, he is not my ideal candidate but that won't stop me for voting for him if he's the nominee.


139 posted on 01/26/2007 2:46:30 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake.)
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To: Peach
There's no reasoning with the haters. They'd rather hate and spew than be FOR something or someone.

READING SKILLS!

Most of us TRUE CONSERVATIVES (not northeast-corridor inner-city sheeple that THINK they are conservative) DO have nothing but disdain for RINOs, BUT, and here's where your READING SKILLS need to come into play...

We ALSO have been naming MANY possible, SOLID conservatives, like Hunter, Pence, Huckabee, etc.

140 posted on 01/26/2007 2:48:02 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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