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January 27, 2007
| AdamSmithWasRight
Posted on 01/26/2007 9:16:25 AM PST by AdamSmithWasRight
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To: Jazzman1
You are a wise individual.
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posted on
01/26/2007 3:45:19 PM PST
by
sport
To: Nathan Zachary
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posted on
01/26/2007 3:49:02 PM PST
by
sport
To: jcb1379
When it is taken as it is MEANT, however, it refers to all those things to which Liberty entitles us. It is not used in the religious context in the preamble. ROTFLMAO...I think you're WHOLE post is and more specifically ....you... are lacking intelligence!
To: fr_freak
I've never said that Islam and Christianity have a similar worldview. In fact, if you look, I pointed out that for Muslims, all of reality is dependent upon the continual will of Allah, whereas for Christians, God created a rational, self-functioning Universe.
Now, socially, we are in total agreement, I think: this is a "Christian nation" for all intents and purposes. SOCIALLY. But LEGALLY, it is a country that protects the freedom of ALL religions, and all non-religions. Period. Christianity was not codified in the Constitution. Period.
Theology is not the issue here--citizenship is. You CAN be American and whatever religion you choose or don't choose. Maybe AdamSmithWasRight is not a "good" Muslim because he keeps his loyalty to his country, but that doesn't make him any less a citizen.
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posted on
01/26/2007 4:02:13 PM PST
by
jcb1379
To: presidio9
Ok, your point is...? My point is that neither Christianity nor Islam are ETHNIC RELIGIONS. If I were a Jew, that would describe my race as well as my religion. If I am a Christian, I might be British, I might be Mexican, I might be African, whatever. If I am a Muslim I might be American, I might be Mexican, I might be British, I might be Egyptian.
I am quite aware of "Mahometans" in the Revolutionary period. Not sure what that has to do with the Framers.
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posted on
01/26/2007 4:05:36 PM PST
by
jcb1379
To: Stark_GOP
"Democracy" is right next to "God" in the Constitution.
We aren't a democracy. We are a democratic republic. Citizens vote (the "democratic" part) for representatives (the "republic" part).
I never said we are a democracy. Athens was a democracy. Rome was a republic. We are more Roman than Greek.
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posted on
01/26/2007 4:12:34 PM PST
by
jcb1379
To: Stark_GOP
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posted on
01/26/2007 4:13:23 PM PST
by
jcb1379
To: AdamSmithWasRight
That is a point that seems to be unapparent to many of the people on this board.
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posted on
01/26/2007 4:15:40 PM PST
by
jcb1379
To: I got the rope
You're [sic] post made me laugh, as you obviously haven't the capacity for critical thinking. Using the word "blessings" no more denotes a religious meaning (when not used in a religious context) any more than produce is implied when talking about the "fruits of your labor."
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posted on
01/26/2007 4:29:07 PM PST
by
jcb1379
To: pollyannaish
Hey thanks - and I have read the Old Testament. No offense taken. However, as I used to be an OT follower - fire and brimstone kind of guy - I now like the NT. I am an imperfect Christian and thank God every day he gives me another chance to do right.
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posted on
01/26/2007 4:36:17 PM PST
by
7thson
(I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
To: pollyannaish
I'm with you - let's win this thing.
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posted on
01/26/2007 4:37:20 PM PST
by
7thson
(I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
To: Wolfstar
Good answer. I have no reply.
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posted on
01/26/2007 4:40:29 PM PST
by
7thson
(I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
To: edcoil
You cannot be an American and also a muslim. Were you wearing your white sheet when you typed that?
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posted on
01/26/2007 4:41:53 PM PST
by
Drango
(A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
To: Wolfstar
Kind of like when Khrushchev was giving a speech and he was asked why he didn't stand up to Stalin in the midst of the horrible crimes the Soviets were committing against the Russian people. Khrushchev very angrily lashed out by saying "Who said that?!" He was met with silence. He asked again, "Who said that?!" Silence. Then he said, very calmly, "Now you know why."
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posted on
01/26/2007 4:43:32 PM PST
by
jcb1379
To: Stark_GOP
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posted on
01/26/2007 4:59:19 PM PST
by
ilovew
(Anybody but Hillary '08)
To: jcb1379
You're [sic] post made me laugh, as you obviously haven't the capacity for critical thinking. No...I haven't the capacity for doublethink.
To: I got the rope
Have you the capacity for singlethink? You keep dodging the points. Address it point by point, THEN tell me I'm not intelligent.
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posted on
01/26/2007 5:06:18 PM PST
by
jcb1379
To: jcb1379
What? Now I have to define simple words to lightweight pseudo-freepers. I feel like I'm trying to debate a high school kid. You may want to "believe" or have "faith" that the word blessings has no religious connotations, but that doesn't make it true.
Believe what you want...it's a free country! ROTFLMAO!
To: jcb1379
Theology is not the issue here--citizenship is. You CAN be American and whatever religion you choose or don't choose.
Yes, legally there is no question that, currently, Muslims, as well as all other religious practitioners, can be citizens of the United States. But I did not think we were arguing the letter of the law, but whether, from a practical and ideological sense, Muslims can be Americans in spirit and in practice. Citizenship these days is a mere piece of paper. The real question is whether an individual can be a functioning member of American society, upholding American ideological and cultural principles. I believe that Islam is incompatible with the American political system as it exists today. American political concepts such as freedom of speech, assembly, religion, etc. are antithetical to Islam, and Islam is antithetical to those concepts. There are other non-Christian religions which can blend in just fine - Buddhism for example. Islam cannot.
To: Ditto
Well, that much is true. I see a lot of hate directed towards Mormons from Christians, much as you described.
The point that Brigitte Gabriel makes, and I agree, is that while people in other countries (particularly Arab countries) cannot speak out for fear of their lives, there is no reason why they cannot do so in this country.
Is there risk? Yes. But if the vast majority of Muslims are intimidated into silence, shouldn't they do something? As she said, if HER faith was being hijacked, you must either risk speaking out or leave the religion.
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posted on
01/26/2007 5:37:35 PM PST
by
rlmorel
(Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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