Posted on 01/26/2007 9:16:25 AM PST by AdamSmithWasRight
As I read the news day in and day out from my perspective of being on the inside looking out, I look at my own home and couldn't be any more embarrassed than I currently am. It has been compounded from 9/11 by constant images and stories in the media about the actions of the Muslim community.
I must admit to myself if I was on the outside looking in I would probably look at myself in the same way so many others do. If all I saw were nihilistic thugs raping, robbing, murdering, and littering the streets of the world with the bodies of innocent people I wouldn't know what else to think of this group of people for religion.
As I now sit inside of the United States I find myself looking at this house in two perspectives. At times from the inside looking out and wanting to escape for this image that has haunts me day in and day out but also at times from the outside looking in. It is these proud patriotic times when religion takes the passenger seat or well I should say, isn't even in the car, that I look at that house and think, "Don't you people get it???"
At moments like this I realize and force myself to accept the reality that the real problem here is the Muslim community itself. It is no longer the fundamentalsits or Al-Qaeda alone, rather the very community itself that has failed to deliver or even show an attempt to remedy this nihilistic ideology within their ranks. As an American but also as a Muslim I would like to convey my most sincere apologies although I know to most this are just empty words in light of the death and injury of so many. For most we have reached a point where apologies and words will do nothing but further agitate the situation. Rather what is needed is action.
It is this which I do recognize and wish deliver, but I realize that I can only do this with help from others. I would hope that the American people, my brothers and sisters, would not so easily give up on the Bush doctrine of changing the face of the middle east where this dangerous threat to world civility and humanity is found. If we hope to find change I believe we can only find it in the overthrowing and or absolute destruction of the very regimes and elements that support this authoritarinism from within their midst. As long as we hold on to the Bush doctrine I honestly believe that we can one day watch the purple fingers of freedom wave from Morocco to Indonesia.
Until that day, if it comes, I apologize my friends and ask you to stick with the President and his vision for a new middle east.
No, it was an Enlightenment philosophy that was pretty much limited to Northwestern Europe and North America. That philosophy grew more from the horrors of 250 years of inter-Christian bloodletting than it did from scriptural teachings.
The men who developed it were not "anti-Religion" (most were deeply religious) but they understood from history and often from their own experience, that mixing religion and state was a recipe for oppression.
In the 18th Century, the "Christians" of Berlin, Moscow, Madrid, Budapest or Rome could not have produced the Constitution any more than the Saudis could do it today.
The Constitution was based upon philosophy, not dogma.
"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant
While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men.
"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force".
The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword
Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men - filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism.
"Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it...have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind".
Well isn't that your own interpretation and personal opinion about Islam? You have your freedom of speech but your first ammendment right can not infringe upon mine in freely exercising my Constitutional right as an American.
"Considered as a nation, they are deplorably wretched, because they have no property in the soil to inspire an ambition to cultivate it. They are abject slaves to the despotism of their government, and they are humiliated by tyranny, the worst of all tyrannies, the despotism of priestcraft. They live in more solemn fear of the frowns of a bigot who has been dead and rotten above a thousand years, than of the living despot whose frown would cost them their lives
The ignorance, superstitious tradition and civil and religious tyranny, which depress the human mind here, exclude improvement of every kind
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Only by force can Muhammad's false doctrines be dispelled and his power annihilated - John Quincy Adams
Muhammad's doctrine was violence and lust: to exalt the brutal over the spritual - John Quincy Adams
While the merciless dogmas of Muhammad remain there can never be peace upon earth - John Quincy Adams
Treachery and violence are taught as principles of Mohamet's religion - John Quincy Adams
Open proclamation of hatred is the foundation of a Mahometen's discourse - John Quincy Adams
The sword of extermination is instinct with the spirit of the Koran - John Quincy Adams
We can spend all day going over the circular language of the Koran. The Koran never states "The Law" specifically, but it does mention each one individually in it's own way.
The Koran tells you that the Bible is the true revelation from God, but then rejects Christ. Circular. The Koran tells you to believe in the teaching of the Bible, but the Bible teaches it is the final revelation for man. Circular again. I could go on and on.
Incidently...the Koran teaches that Mohammed was the Master Planner (Deceiver), but the Bible teaches that the Master Deceiver is Satan.
Welcome.
Whoops...I meant allah was the Master Planner (deceiver) not mohammed.
You read through 206 post for this --
Freedom from want sounds socialistic to me. On googling the four freedoms, I was unsurprised to find this to be from Franklin Roosevelt and even less surprising, a liberal pillar. Freedom of speech, yes, but it's not the function of government to keep one from want.
I'm not infringing on any of your rights...even though your religion would infringe upon mine.
I agree.
I think our differences with radical Islam will come to a shooting war. If there are those Muslims who don't buy the program, then it's in everyone's interest that they separate themselves. If ASWR is one, then I wish him well and success. It's something that, ultimately, he and like minded Muslims will have to do for themselves. I'm persuadable.
Sept 10, 2001 was a milestone. I remember writing on a blog, "Muslims are making a bad impression, at a time when we are impressionable indeed." My skepticism was born of 1,000 interviews and articles about Islam and terrorism by any number of dissembling, duplicitous hacks. Like it or not, CAIR is the voice of Muslims in America. I have read any number of articles which explained that my ignorance of Islam was the problem.
Without getting into a HUGE theological discussion here, I will simply say that as a Christian, I do my best to live by the lessons given us in the Bible...
Oh, yeah. I'm a Christian also. When someone says that Hitler was carrying out a Christian program, I throw the BS flag. When David Duke or David Koresh or the alien spaceship people are described as Christian, I disagree. There's a consensus about what Christian is and isn't, not based upon Biblical passages, but upon a social pact. There's no confusion in the minds of people of good will about whether Duke and I believe the same things, because I say we don't, I explain why, and I criticize him. Muslims have a pretty high burden there. They would do well to start drawing distinctions between so-called moderates and radicals. That would include unequivocal condemnation of radicals. We're not seeing that.
I explain that we don't follow Old Testament admonitions in many cases. No one has to rely upon their own interpretation of the Bible to understand what I believe.
Unfortunately, that's all we've been given to work with in regard to Islam...the Koran. The intemperate words are underlined by every terrorist who yells, "Allahu Akbar!" pre-detonation. Whether they are the proximate cause of their image, they are the only ones who can change it.
Why do you suppose they haven't, to any large degree?
It could be that they don't understand the importance of the court of public opinion in the US...it could be that they genuinely fear the radicals...it could be that they agree. Ultimately, we'll decide based upon their words and actions. They will define "Muslim" for us, which may mean something different than what Ahmanutjob says.
Which part? I'm giving you a historical interpretation based on biblical exegesis and my study of American History. You can't do the same with the Koran.
Personally...I think Mohammed was a filthy animal(rapist and pedophile) and Islam a filthy religion that is leading you straight to hell. You are very lucky to be able to worship in a free country.
By the way...how many Churches or Jewish Temples are there in Mecca or Medina?
FWIW
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