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The definition of "swift boating"
politicalgateway.com ^ | 1/25/2007 | Andy Martin

Posted on 01/26/2007 7:32:41 AM PST by Lee'sGhost

Yesterday FReeper Dark Skies posted an editorial by Andy Martin from Political Gateway with the following lead comment:

“Swift boating" is a term that came into use during the 2004 presidential election to reflect Senator John Kerry’s flaccid response to attacks on his wartime record in Viet-Nam. The term, a noun, adjective and verb, has entered the political lexicon and is usually invoked when liberals and Democrats are stung trying to defend themselves against unpleasantly truthful accusations hurled by conservatives.

I took exception to that definitiion and emailed my objection to Mr. Martin as follows:

"Swift boating” is a term that is used to describe a concerted effort to get the truth out about a political candidate. You are confusing the public by defining it incorrectly. Please issue a correction.

Thank you.

Mr. Martin replied:

I am afraid your definition is not correct. I disagree. The left gave "swift boating" an odious connotation and that odor has persisted to the present day. You can't wish that your definition would prevail when it hasn't.

My response was:

I can assure you that within conservative circles swift boating is the definition I provided. YOU are allowing the left to usurp that definition. Perhaps a demonstration is in order.

Thank you."


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To: Lee'sGhost

BTW, sKerry still has not released his military records.


41 posted on 01/26/2007 8:12:27 AM PST by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: DuncanWaring
There are many recipients of a single Purple Heart who DEAD prematurely.

I realize that. The dead ones don't often run for political office, though.

;^>

42 posted on 01/26/2007 8:14:49 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I suspect we would also find a less-than-honorable discharge and the results of a Jimma Carter "correction of military records" board to give sKerry an honorable discharge.


43 posted on 01/26/2007 8:15:59 AM PST by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Thx for the ping. Good letter!


44 posted on 01/26/2007 8:16:17 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Gritty; Lee'sGhost

I vote for Gritty's def in #30. At least that's how I've always interpreted it: it's the exposure of anybody (could be of any political persuasion) trying to self-aggrandize & score points with the electorate (or anyone FTM) by misrepresenting the circumstances of his/her military service (+ possibly an academic record,professional career et al?), when the factual historical record is publicly clarified by other people who were in a position to know the less-flattering truth of those circumstances.


45 posted on 01/26/2007 8:33:13 AM PST by leilani (Dimmi, dimmi se mai fu fatta cosa alcuna!)
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To: popdonnelly

"Swift boating is telling truths about Democrats that make them uncomfortable.

Scurrilous and unfounded claims against Republicans are "a search for the truth"."

Another term screaming for clarification "Refuted".

I am so tired of having some mind addled dolt tell me something (like the Swifties) have been 'refuted' simply because some approved liberal source has published a piece that disagrees.

This takes me back to the source of the communications problem.

"True" and "Fact" are defined as any idea that comes from an approved liberal source, like the Guardian or the Times, or that has been stated as true by a national liberal.

"Lie" is any idea that the left does not agree with.

It is exceptionally hard to hold a debate with folk who define stuff like this.


46 posted on 01/26/2007 8:43:35 AM PST by Jim Verdolini
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To: popdonnelly
Swift Boating is getting the real record out instead of a media driven, superhyped, false lie.

I am still convinced to this day that Kerry got and dishonorable discharge, but we will never know because he has not signed off to release his records.

47 posted on 01/26/2007 8:48:04 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Clioman

Or you may be "Nifonged".


48 posted on 01/26/2007 8:48:45 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Yo-Yo
"How does he define "Borked?"

How would he define "Rathered"

49 posted on 01/26/2007 8:49:28 AM PST by skimask (People who care what you do don't matter.......People who matter don't care what you do.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

All John Fraud Kerry ever had to do to completely discredit the Swiftees is sign Standard Form SF-180 releasing his ENTIRE military record to the public and submit it to the National Personnel Records Center. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Since he had nothing to hide anyway. /sarc


50 posted on 01/26/2007 8:55:52 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: Lee'sGhost
I think "swift boating" is an excellent term, and if applied correctly honors those who outed Kerry.

I saw a couple of the Swift boat Veterans on TV saying they disliked the term. That is enough reason for me not to use it.
51 posted on 01/26/2007 9:00:03 AM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: msnimje

Perhaps they would change their minds if they saw it from our point of view.


52 posted on 01/26/2007 9:03:50 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
As one who served with Swifts, I'm kinda proud of the term. It is a sudden, devastatingly honest and truthful barrage of irrefutable truth in a swamp of two-face politicos and dishonest media.

Kinda like a swift kick in the ass with a jolt of reality.

Nam Vet

53 posted on 01/26/2007 9:06:22 AM PST by Nam Vet ( The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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To: Capt. Tom
Swiftboating is going around the gatekeepers of news, to get a....

Brilliant! That's what it was, and that's what the liberals hate so much.

54 posted on 01/26/2007 9:11:30 AM PST by Poincare
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To: RightWingConspirator
DING ! DING ! DING !

You've hit the JACKPOT! This is the meat of the whole story, in my opinion.

Nam Vet

55 posted on 01/26/2007 9:11:54 AM PST by Nam Vet ( The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

He was in country, less than 4 months.


56 posted on 01/26/2007 9:18:02 AM PST by 212351st
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To: 212351st
He was in country, less than 4 months.

I regret my inaccuracy, but the point still stands:

THREE Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star in 120 days with no debilitating injuries of any kind?

That's an insult to all the fine men who gave their lives or body parts and served full tours with no thought of getting a medal for it.

57 posted on 01/26/2007 9:22:30 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Nam Vet
As one who served with Swifts, I'm kinda proud of the term.

Thank you for your service, sir.

May I call you a Swiftee?

58 posted on 01/26/2007 9:23:58 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

I didn't have a problem with the def. I liked the "unpleasantly truthful" part.


59 posted on 01/26/2007 9:24:22 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Lee'sGhost
I'm sorry, but I agree with Mr. Martin when he says, "...liberals and Democrats are stung trying to defend themselves against unpleasantly truthful accusations...".

He nails it.

60 posted on 01/26/2007 9:50:21 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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