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Senators eye rejection of Bush war plan (Republican turncoat alert)
chron.com ^ | 1/24/2007 | ANNE FLAHERTY

Posted on 01/24/2007 7:54:27 AM PST by Dark Skies

Democrats took the first step toward a wartime repudiation of President Bush on Wednesday, convening a Senate committee to endorse legislation declaring that the deployment of additional troops to Iraq is "not in the national interest."

"We better be damn sure we know what we're doing, all of us, before we put 22,000 more Americans into that grinder," said Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, the only Republican on the committee to announce support for the measure.

Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., the panel's chairman, said the legislation is "not an attempt to embarrass the president. ... It's an attempt to save the president from making a significant mistake with regard to our policy in Iraq."

Less than one month after taking control of Congress, there was little doubt Democrats had the votes to prevail. They hold 11 seats on the committee, to 10 for Republicans.

The full Senate is scheduled to begin debate on the measure next week, although Biden has said he is willing to negotiate changes in hopes of attracting support from more Republicans.

Even Republicans opposed to the measure expressed unease with the revised policy involving a war that has lasted nearly four years, claimed the lives of more than 3,000 U.S. troops and helped Democrats win control of Congress in last fall's elections.

"I am not confident that President Bush's plan will succeed," said Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, senior Republican on the committee.

But he also said he would vote against the measure. "It is unclear to me how passing a nonbinding resolution that the president has already said he will ignore will contribute to any improvement or modification of our Iraq policy."

"The president is deeply invested in this plan, and the deployments ... have already begun," Lugar added.

He suggested a more forceful role for Congress, and said lawmakers must ensure the administration is "planning for contingencies, including the failure of the Iraqi government to reach compromises and the persistence of violence despite U.S. and Iraqi government efforts."

Hagel's remarks were among the most impassioned of the day.

"There is no strategy," he said of the Bush administration's war management. "This is a pingpong game with American lives. These young men and women that we put in Anbar province, in Iraq, in Baghdad are not beans; they're real lives. And we better be damn sure we know what we're doing, all of us, before we put 22,000 more Americans into that grinder."

A Vietnam veteran, he fairly lectured fellow senators not to duck a painful debate about a war that has grown increasingly unpopular as it has gone on. "No president of the United States can sustain a foreign policy or a war policy without the sustained support of the American people," Hagel said.

At least eight other Republican senators say they now back legislative proposals registering objections to Bush's decision to boost U.S. military strength in Iraq by 21,500 troops.

The growing list — which includes Sens. Gordon Smith, George Voinovich and Sam Brownback — has emboldened Democrats, who are pushing for a vote in the full Senate by next week to rebuke the president's Iraq policy.

In his State of the Union speech Tuesday night, Bush urged skeptical members of Congress to give the plan a chance to work.

Many lawmakers remained reluctant.

"I wonder whether the clock has already run out," said Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine. She said she was worried that U.S. troops in Iraq are already perceived "not as liberators but as occupiers."

Bush did get a word of support from former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, one of the 2008 Republican presidential hopefuls.

"I believe we should give the president the support to do this. I want us to be successful in Iraq," he said Wednesday on NBC's "Today" show. "I know how important it is to the overall war on terror. Success in Iraq means a more peaceful world for America, it means a victory against terrorists. Failure in Iraq means a big defeat against terrorists and the war on terror is going to be tougher for us."

But Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., appearing on the same show, said, "I think all of us are talking about a phased redeployment which would leave American troops in the region to send a strong message, not only to the Iraqi government that we want to help them, but also to neighbors, like Iran, that we're not abandoning the field."

The nonbinding resolution being voted on Wednesday by the Foreign Relations Committee was drafted by Biden and Hagel, along with Sens. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, and Carl Levin, D-Mich.

Some Republicans worried that it would undermine Bush's diplomatic efforts on Iraq. "The worst thing we can do as a Congress is to undercut the president internationally," Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said Wednesday on CNN.

GOP defections for Bush's Iraq policy spell trouble for an administration that has come to rely on congressional Republicans to champion its agenda. While many Bush loyalists remain, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., other lawmakers say the president cannot continue down a path the public does not support.

White House officials "realize you can't conduct a war with one party for it and one against it, and we're getting in that type of position," said Brownback, R-Kan. "And that is not a durable position."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 01/24/2007 7:54:27 AM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

Anyone that puts their name on any resolution that criticizes or undermines the Constitutional Authority of the CIC is nothing short of TREASON!!!


2 posted on 01/24/2007 7:56:39 AM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Dark Skies

All CIC wanabees.


3 posted on 01/24/2007 7:58:00 AM PST by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: areafiftyone; All
Rudy is telling the truth when it isn't popular takes courage...
Bush did get a word of support from former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, one of the 2008 Republican presidential hopefuls.

"I believe we should give the president the support to do this. I want us to be successful in Iraq," he said Wednesday on NBC's "Today" show. "I know how important it is to the overall war on terror. Success in Iraq means a more peaceful world for America, it means a victory against terrorists. Failure in Iraq means a big defeat against terrorists and the war on terror is going to be tougher for us."


4 posted on 01/24/2007 7:58:00 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Dark Skies
Hagel's remarks were among the most impassioned of the day.

Hagel passionately wants to be President. I’d put better odds on my cat.

5 posted on 01/24/2007 7:58:32 AM PST by dighton
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To: Dark Skies

If those people(to quote Robert E. Lee) think that Iraq war policy is a nightmare, then why don't they cut off funding for it?

In addition, every single time they open their yaps about how awful things are going in Iraq, they lend superb comfort and support to the enemy.

Schmucks.


6 posted on 01/24/2007 7:58:34 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: Dark Skies

Congressional coup d’état is all this is.


7 posted on 01/24/2007 7:58:51 AM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Dark Skies
"with regard to our policy in Iraq"

Does he have a mouse in his pocket, or is he just talking about the Democrats/cut 'n runners who are wannabe commander-in-chiefs?

8 posted on 01/24/2007 7:59:14 AM PST by traditional1
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To: Dark Skies


Former Mayor Koch also.


9 posted on 01/24/2007 7:59:22 AM PST by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: golfisnr1
Former Mayor Koch also.

Yes, Ed Koch has been very vocal in his support of W and the WOT. However, he also says he'll be rooting for Mrs. Bubba...so he's in a pickle.
10 posted on 01/24/2007 8:01:54 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Dark Skies

Rudy is the only one who seems to get it! What the heck is wrong with these congresscritters? Do they have to be stuck in a building that is collapsing around them before they get it????


11 posted on 01/24/2007 8:02:56 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: golfisnr1

Yes I agree. Koch is one of the only really cool Democrats. Him and Zell Miller are the best of the Dems.


12 posted on 01/24/2007 8:03:41 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: Dark Skies
The lines are already broken; these are just the first to cross. The Republicans will become increasingly fractured and nuanced in their support or opposition to the war, with each passing month.
13 posted on 01/24/2007 8:04:02 AM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: Dark Skies

.....so grow a pair and attempt to cut funding.


14 posted on 01/24/2007 8:04:28 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry
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To: Dark Skies
I'll give ya the names... MOST are no surprise and you've seen before.



John Warner (gang of 14 - presidential media sell-out)

Lindsay Graham (mcCain's butt-buddy and gang of 14)

Olimpa Snowe (par for course with her)

Chuck Hagel (wishes he was Chafee)

Geroge "Weepy" Vonovich (would not let Bolton out of committee because he 'feared for his children' with a meanie up there, broke into tears)

Sam Brownback (since presidential run has demonstrated to be a grade-A weenie sellout on MANY issues, esp the WoT)

Dick Lugar (the most gutless of all... wants to 'voice displeasure' but afraid to vote for it)
15 posted on 01/24/2007 8:09:36 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

This is exactly why I like and support Rudy -- he isn't afraid to take a stand when it is not popular. Not many politicians will stand up and be counted when it is not popular!


16 posted on 01/24/2007 8:11:54 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican - Vote Rudy/Allen - Take Back the House and Senate in '08)
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To: Dark Skies

17 posted on 01/24/2007 8:12:10 AM PST by Gritty (Patriots don't have to be dangerous psychos like liberals, but they could act like men-Ann Coulter)
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To: tobyhill
Anyone that puts their name on any resolution that criticizes or undermines the Constitutional Authority of the CIC is nothing short of TREASON!!!

I must have missed it when a new amendment was enacted redefining Treason.

I don't support this ineffective resolution at all, but to call it treason is over the top.

18 posted on 01/24/2007 8:16:14 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Dark Skies

Until the Republican Party purges these traitors from our midst... NO MORE MONEY FROM ME! (and I have donated heavily)

LLS


19 posted on 01/24/2007 8:20:19 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: FreedomNeocon
Susan Collins, Norm Coleman and Gordon Smith will co-sponsor it as well, if they haven't already. I believe they've said as much publicly.

If Specter goes along too (a possibility) then we're talking about as many as 59 votes (61 votes, minus Lieberman and the non-voting comatose Tim Johnson) to censure the President on a matter of national security.

20 posted on 01/24/2007 8:22:42 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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