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Imprisoned agent's wife: President is a hypocrite
WorldNetDaily ^ | January 24, 2007 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 01/24/2007 5:51:23 AM PST by NapkinUser

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To: DreamsofPolycarp

you clearly do not have the facts of the case


101 posted on 01/24/2007 8:35:05 AM PST by righteousindignation
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To: NapkinUser
"President Bush can say all he wants that the solution to border security is new infrastructure and technology," Ramos told WND, "but as long as my husband is in jail the American people should know that President Bush doesn't mean a word he says."

The President didn't force her husband to shoot anyone, and if a jury convicted him, it possibly was on the strength of the EVIDENCE, again, nothing to do with the President.

102 posted on 01/24/2007 8:36:29 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: L98Fiero

what is your source for the 'facts'?


103 posted on 01/24/2007 8:39:33 AM PST by righteousindignation
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To: 1rudeboy

Thanks for looking that up. I went to the link you provided, and I'm assuming you got that from one of the .pdf's linked off the home page. Which one was it? I'd like to take a look at that in context.


104 posted on 01/24/2007 8:40:19 AM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: 1rudeboy

If they have time to post five press releases on a website in PDF format justifying their position, they should have no trouble with taking the time to release the relevant excerpts from the actual testimony as well. But you're right; if the defense attorneys actually had a legal ground to stand on, I suspect relevant transcript portions would be all over the news.


105 posted on 01/24/2007 8:41:30 AM PST by LanPB01
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To: righteousindignation
you clearly do not have the facts of the case

That is always a possibility. You have what I have learned in my posts. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't bother going into some tirade about how we are being "invaded" or other such bleatings. Right now is NOT the time to drag out a fixation on the border, as there are a variety of ways to address the mess there. Like you said, lets stick with the "facts of the case." Please show me the error of my ways.

106 posted on 01/24/2007 8:42:54 AM PST by DreamsofPolycarp
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To: DreamsofPolycarp

thanks for responding and admitting we all need the facts!! I would suggest you restrain your tone however as I do not 'bleat' as you term it but am seriously concerned about the open border issue.


107 posted on 01/24/2007 8:46:50 AM PST by righteousindignation
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To: jmc813

The press release dated September 8th.


108 posted on 01/24/2007 8:47:05 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I really see no reason for a pardon. They shot a fleeing man in the back. That is the act of a coward, but FReepers are treating these guys like heroes.

Go here: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53873 to learn the facts in this case.

Quote from article:

"The U.S. Army doctor who removed the bullet testified at the trial that the drug smuggler was not shot from behind, but that he removed the bullet from the side, with the bullet piercing the left side of his left buttock and traveled to his right groin."

The more I read about this case, the worse it stinks.

109 posted on 01/24/2007 8:47:08 AM PST by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: LanPB01
If they have time to post five press releases on a website in PDF format justifying their position, they should have no trouble with taking the time to release the relevant excerpts from the actual testimony as well.

I'd rather that my taxpayer money be spent prosecuting cases on the docket, instead of cases that are concluded.

110 posted on 01/24/2007 8:48:59 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I think Compean freaked (for whatever reason), and Ramos took a fall because (in the heat of the moment) he tried to cover-up in order to protect his partner.

Best analysis I have seen. These guys are overworked, underrespected, and constantly wondering whether they have Carlos, a poor peasant who thinks $6.00/hour is a dream job, or some MS13 punk who deserves to be shot, no matter which side of the border he is on. I can COMPLETELY understand shooting the guy.

However, investigative procedures for law enforcement are there for a reason. Otherwise, you have cops charging into the home of a 90 year old Atlanta woman and killing her..., no, wait, we already HAVE that.

It is precisely because cops DO have this kind of power that we must have ways of making the power accountable.

Maybe they flipped out, and were just trying to protect each other's jobs. That is my guess. I would have been very lenient on them, as no one was killed and the guy who was shot was a dirtbag. However, losing a job trumps prison every single time. Bad choices. I wish Bush would commute their sentences, but he now faces a "no win" situation due to the normal hysteria that surrounds anything that has the word "border" in it.

111 posted on 01/24/2007 8:53:44 AM PST by DreamsofPolycarp
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To: LanPB01
It would be a lot more convincing if the actual testimony was available, rather than the word of someone who has a vested interest in the case (the prosecutor).

The above statement troubles me. We have the U.S. Attorney's Office stating to what Compean and Ramos tesitified. Are you suggesting that it's a lie? If so, their defense attorneys are clearly incompetent, and the U.S. Attorney committed a felony.

112 posted on 01/24/2007 9:00:40 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: xzins; blue-duncan; jude24
I don't get it. The first four years Bush was a leader. The last two years he has shown no leadership qualities. He should be engaging the people of the United States in this war and giving weekly broadcasts and appearing on TV and buying ads on the media to get the people of the nation involved in the War on Terror and supporting our actions in Iraq. Instead he is proposing silly health care initiatives and prosecuting border agents, and allowing the Scooter Libby travesty to continue. In addition he is letting our troops down by keeping strict rules of engagement in place in the face of what has now turned into an all out Civil uprising in Iraq and then prosecuting our soldiers when they violate those insane rules of engagement.

If we had conducted WWI and WWII in the same manner that we are conducting this war we would all be speaking German or Japanese.

Bush has been walking around with a deer in the headlights look for the last two years, and when you have a deer in the headlights look, that means that someone is about to run you over.

At this point I do not have confidence that he will do what it takes to win this war or to prosecute the war on terrorism or to stop the invasion of illegal immigrants who are destined to change America into a Latin American banana republic.

I do take comfort in the knowledge that whatever Bush does is essentially part of God's overall plan. I do fear, however, that what is happening now is the dawn of judgment rather than the dawn of mercy.

We live in interesting times.

113 posted on 01/24/2007 9:58:34 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: 1rudeboy

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to read a statement from a prosecutor or a defense attorney in which they've slanted words in their favor, so I wouldn't be surprised if the testimony that press release refers to doesn't actually say what the U.S. Attorney says it does. The fact that the defense attorneys haven't released relevant portions of the trial transcript to counter that statement would lead me to believe the U.S. Attorney is telling the truth, though.


114 posted on 01/24/2007 10:03:57 AM PST by LanPB01
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To: LanPB01

Stop it. Now. Either Compean or Ramos testified to that fact, or they did not. Listen to yourself.


115 posted on 01/24/2007 10:05:29 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: righteousindignation
as I do not 'bleat' as you term it but am seriously concerned about the open border issue.

So am I, but this is not the place to bring that issue in. I might subsitute the words "bray" "bellow" "howl" "screech" "rave" "splutter" or "rant" if you wish, as they sum up my analysis of the input of many Freepers on the border issue. Let's keep my analysis in the abstract, rather than personal, as I don't know about you. We have never had the pleasure of discussing it, to my knowledge.

My original challenge stands, though. You say that I am not acquainted with the facts of the case. I am waiting for you to tell me what they are.

116 posted on 01/24/2007 10:06:42 AM PST by DreamsofPolycarp
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To: L98Fiero
"One is not a felon until he has been convicted in a court of law."

I profoundly disagree, one becomes a felon at precisely the moment that one commits a felony. Conviction or acquittal is a discovery or "finding" of guilt or innocence not an imposition. I do not think that LEO's and citizens should carry out the punishment of felons sans due process but I easily make a distinction between apprehension and punishment. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a matter of regard not a matter of treatment (suspects are arrested) nor a matter of fact (the guilty are guilty from the moment of offense).

BTW: You should not steal your bicycle back from the thief because you have deprived him of his due process. What if you made a mistake? You would then be a criminal! You should have reported him to proper authorities who would have recovered your property and hopefully apprehended, tried and convicted the criminal, resulting in justice for all. Have you never heard: "don't take the law into your own hands"?

117 posted on 01/24/2007 10:08:36 AM PST by Theophilus (Sola Scriptura!)
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To: 1rudeboy

Without the actual transcripts, I don't know if they did or not. I suspect they did.


118 posted on 01/24/2007 10:10:27 AM PST by LanPB01
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To: LanPB01
I undersand that scepticism is healthy, but in moderation. For a U.S. attorney (and Officer of the Court) to knowingly misrepresent testimony that occurs in open court is an ethical violation of the highest order, and potentially subject to criminal sanction. U.S. Attorneys are simply not that stupid.
119 posted on 01/24/2007 10:16:12 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: DreamsofPolycarp

For one important thing, the agents DID report to their supervisors and were given the option to go home as it was the end of the shift, or wait a few hours. There was no 'cover-up'!! The truth will come out when the transcript is read.


120 posted on 01/24/2007 10:16:27 AM PST by righteousindignation
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