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**LIVE Thread - State of the Union Address [starting at approx. comment 400]
http://www.cspan.org/ ^ | 1-23-07

Posted on 01/23/2007 4:45:40 PM PST by STARWISE

Edited on 01/23/2007 6:37:01 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: mystery-ak; AliVeritas
St. Michael the Archangel... ?

"Protect Israel" is my guess.

141 posted on 01/23/2007 5:35:05 PM PST by Enosh
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To: ConservativeGadfly; AliVeritas

Just going to post. That what you meant, Ali? In any event, St. Michael, all the saints .. pray for US. God bless Pres. Bush and our courageous troops.


142 posted on 01/23/2007 5:35:27 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Raycpa; Basheva
Per post #67: They didn't give us immigration reform.

They didn't secure the borders.

They didn't reform social security.

They didn't give us school vouchers.

They didn't make the tax cuts permanent.

They didn't give us energy reform.

They couldn't manage to get more conservative judges on the federal benches.

They didn't put a stop once and for all to fillibustering Supreme Court nominations.

They didn't get John Bolton confirmed.

We got two Supreme Court judges - that's good - but not nearly enough for 12 years of majority rule.

Sorry, not good enough.

If that is your idea of 99 46/100% pure Conservatism you're cracked.

143 posted on 01/23/2007 5:35:33 PM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO because I'm too conservative to be a real Republican.)
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To: STARWISE; Miss Didi

What's the spread on the pop bead color tonight?

re: Nancy


Hmmm, should I post the exorcist to this thread? Or just line my zot protocols up?


144 posted on 01/23/2007 5:35:33 PM PST by AliVeritas (Stop Global Dhimming. Demand testicular fortitude from the hill. Call the crusade.)
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To: COEXERJ145

"This is the first SOTU address I will not be following the live thread. FR is becoming too much like DU and LP for my taste.'

Judging from the first ones out of the gate, it looks like the DU is here!


145 posted on 01/23/2007 5:35:43 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: STARWISE

This is what I want to see. Joe deserves a hug and a kiss for being on the right side of the war and supporting the troops while a bunch of embarrassing Republicans are preparing to sell the troops down the river.

146 posted on 01/23/2007 5:36:14 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Miss Didi

Bingo... I'm thinking exactly the same.


147 posted on 01/23/2007 5:36:57 PM PST by AliVeritas (Stop Global Dhimming. Demand testicular fortitude from the hill. Call the crusade.)
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To: STARWISE
..sitting at 36% approval rating

It's time to take off the gloves and come out fighting...

148 posted on 01/23/2007 5:37:17 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: popdonnelly

Go leap at a rolling donut.

If you can't handle the true, factual criticism then get the heck out.

If you can, then stick around.


149 posted on 01/23/2007 5:37:23 PM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO because I'm too conservative to be a real Republican.)
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To: april15Bendovr

Nancy and George are on the same side for health care reform. More government meddling. Where does that leave your argument?


150 posted on 01/23/2007 5:37:27 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Defeat the traitor McCain for President. Job #1.)
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To: ConservativeGadfly

Yes.....I bought and gave my son a St. Michael's medal...also a St George....just in case..lol


151 posted on 01/23/2007 5:38:21 PM PST by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero........God Speed Jonathan......)
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To: penelopesire
Judging from the first ones out of the gate, it looks like the DU is here!

Sorry...silly statement...the left is not intellectually critical...we are.

You might be more comfortable where they all drink the same kool-aid.

152 posted on 01/23/2007 5:38:29 PM PST by paulat
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To: mdittmar
President Bush will walk in,those that he hates,and those who hate him will play kissy,kissy,"can't we all get along".

And then Miss Smarty Pants and Ears, with all their vast experience, will criticize the president on ABC right after the speech. Sickening.
153 posted on 01/23/2007 5:38:39 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Eagle Eye
Common mistake among slow thinkers.

They think holding the Presidents feet to the fire is more important than making the mainstream media, college professors and Hollywood accountable for their distortion while we try to win in Iraq.
154 posted on 01/23/2007 5:38:52 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: onyx

Nope.

Bush has EARNED some damned HARSH criticism.

But I don't sense with any of the critics it is personal.

However, with your type, it is personal, just like the Dems fall all over the clintons.


155 posted on 01/23/2007 5:39:02 PM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO because I'm too conservative to be a real Republican.)
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To: WalterSkinner

"..sitting at 36% approval rating"

if you consider Bush's poll numbers when he won the last election.....he has basically lost about 10% of the people that voted for him in the first place. Those are not insurmountable odds.


156 posted on 01/23/2007 5:39:16 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: STARWISE

I am just not going to be able to watch. The President's handlers and advisers are ruining this good man. WHY he doesn't fire the lot of them, I don't know. They only thing I can figure out is that he has really lost touch.
Please don't call me names. I love W but some of the things his administration does just baffles me.


157 posted on 01/23/2007 5:39:19 PM PST by Cricket24 (ULTRA PATRIOT!!)
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To: buccaneer81; All

. . . just a few things for FR's unappeasables to ponder:


If President Reagan was such a 'conservative purist', why did he do the following:
--sign an amnesty bill
--first cut taxes and then raise taxes multiple times
--help create the biggest deficit (as % of GDP) in American history
--empower the terrorists by withdrawing US troops from Lebanon after hundreds of our Marines were slaughtered
--'talk' the pro-life rhetoric but fail to promote or sign any pro-life legislation (in fact, he signed pro-abortion legislation during his tenure as governor)
--put two left-of-center judges on the Supreme Court (while failing to get Bork on the court)
--'talk' about reducing the size of government while actually presiding over an INCREASE in the size of government, and so on, and on
[President Bush has committed NONE of the aforementioned 'conservative sins' yet is continually lambasted by conservative purists?!]

If President Reagan was so universally beloved by conservatives, why did he post sub-par job approval ratings for much of his presidency (Gallup).

In fact, by 1987, 60% of Republicans/conservatives indicated that they DEFINITELY wanted a new direction and, if it were possible, would NOT vote for President Reagan again!

And by 1993, 61% of Americans considered Reagan's economic policies a FAILURE (Gallup)!

Yet at his funeral, President Reagan is lauded by Republicans and Democrats alike . . . He is now considered one of the best presidents of all time! . . . I predict the same result for President George W Bush, the most transformational president of modern times!


For more insight (and a major REALITY CHECK), please read the following editorial from COMMENTARY magazine:

IS CONSERVATISM FINISHED?
By Wilfred M. McClay

. . . We also forget that the Reagan administration itself, far from being happily unified, was driven by internal battles between “pragmatists” and “ideologues,” conflicts that prefigured many of the policy battles of the present. And we forget that, outside the administration, REAGAN GOT PLENTY OF GRIEF FROM HIS OWN RIGHT AS WELL.

The querulous Richard Viguerie, for example, an influential but notably unhappy camper in those halcyon days, began hectoring the Reagan presidency almost from the beginning, complaining to the Associated Press in January 1981 that with his cabinet appointments Reagan had given conservatives “the back of his hand.” A July 1981 op-ed by Viguerie in the Washington Post, entitled “For Reagan and the New Right, the Honeymoon Is Over,” was thoughtfully timed less than four months after the President had nearly been killed by an assassin’s bullet. By December 1987, Viguerie was declaring that Reagan had actually “changed sides” and was “now allied with his former adversaries, the liberals, the Democrats, and the Soviets.” A year later, in the final months of his presidency, when it was clear to all that Reagan had fundamentally changed the terms of debate in American politics, Viguerie announced that, thanks to his tenure in office, “the conservative movement is directionless.”

It is especially pertinent to recall such statements when one opens Viguerie’s current book, a catalog of Bush-administration horrors whose pages are replete with inspirational Reagan quotations and the highest praise for Reagan and his appointees. For a movement that claims to rest upon long perspectives and deep cultural sources, American conservatism can be remarkably short-sighted, impatient, brittle, fractious, and downright petulant. Indeed, conservatism has been found by its adherents to have “cracked up” or “lost its soul” more times than are worth counting in the years since 1980 (at least as many times as America has “lost its innocence”).

You can read this entire MUST READ commentary at
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/cm/main/viewArticle.aip?id=10812&page=all



158 posted on 01/23/2007 5:39:23 PM PST by DrDeb
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To: Raycpa
Please... now I use that. As a girl this doubled as the washer and the bathtub.


159 posted on 01/23/2007 5:39:24 PM PST by AliVeritas (Stop Global Dhimming. Demand testicular fortitude from the hill. Call the crusade.)
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To: ConservativeGadfly

At the Church I attend, we say that prayer after every Mass.


160 posted on 01/23/2007 5:40:18 PM PST by guinnessman (Go Bears!)
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