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Anti-smoking milestone reached in U.S.
KPIC 4 - Oregon ^ | 1/20/07 | The Associated Press.

Posted on 01/21/2007 5:56:10 AM PST by NJRighty

RENO, Nev. (AP) - Thirty years after it began as just another quirky movement in Berkeley, Calif., the push to ban smoking in restaurants, bars and other public places has reached a national milestone.

For the first time in the nation's history, more than half of Americans live in a city or state with laws mandating that workplaces, restaurants or bars be smoke-free, according to Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights.

''The movement for smoke-free air has gone from being a California oddity to the nationwide norm,'' said Bronson Frick, the group's associate director. ''We think 100 percent of Americans will live in smoke-free jurisdictions within a few years.''

Seven states and 116 communities enacted tough smoke-free laws last year, bringing the total number to 22 states and 577 municipalities, according to the group. Nevada's ban, which went into effect Dec. 8, increased the total U.S. population covered by any type of smokefree law to 50.2 percent.

It was the most successful year for anti-smoking advocates in the U.S., said Frick, and advocates are now working with local and state officials from across the nation on how to bring the other half of the country around.

In a sign of the changing climate, new U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi banned smoking in the ornate Speaker's Lobby just off the House floor this month, and the District of Columbia recently barred it in public areas. Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Louisiana and New Jersey also passed sweeping anti-smoking measures last year.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antismoking; healthcare; smokingban
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To: trumandogz
I am opposed to smoking bans.
Yet you support them in that you "ban" smoking in your rental properties. It seems to me that you say one thing and do another.
However, I understand that the government has the duty to protect citizens against threats both real or perceived.
You're giving the government the permission to do anything it chooses because innumerable things can be construed to be a perceived threat. I don't understand that. Maybe you're content with government as a caretaker, but I'm not.
When a tenant moves out, I will determine if the painted walls have damages by smoke. If no, (did you mean "if so", 'cause it makes no sense otherwise) I do not return the deposit and use the money to paint the walls.
And then a person would have to bring you to court to prove you were wrong, if you were, which they probably wouldn't even bother with because it would be more hassle than it was worth. Nice move!
And if you're going to be the one making the determination why go through the facade of the "no smoking" contract?
In the end you could even use the sales pitch that "a fresh coat of paint was just applied" for every rental! LOL
121 posted on 01/21/2007 6:27:10 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Dov in Houston

Let me get this straight, because you smoked for 40 years and developed emphysema, the private property rights of everyone else should be abridged?

Then all restaurants should be restricted to serving no sugar and all meals should be less than 500 calories, because the morbidly obese Type II diabetics shouldn't have to read the menu.


122 posted on 01/21/2007 6:28:05 PM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: elkfersupper

I think you had better pick up your dictionary.


123 posted on 01/21/2007 6:28:30 PM PST by flintsilver7
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To: trumandogz
What rights if any do any of us have to our property?

It's interesting to see someone complain about, yet advocate the same thing.

They have drugs for that now.

124 posted on 01/21/2007 6:33:03 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: trumandogz
Until, smokers become a 'protected' class under the ADA I can choose not to rent to smokers.

I choose to rent to Walgreen's.

Whatever Walgreen's allows is fine with me.

125 posted on 01/21/2007 6:40:51 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Ditter
Places of public accommodation and places owned by the state.

So how does any privately-owned business fit that definition?

126 posted on 01/21/2007 6:42:52 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: hocndoc

I made it very clear I was not taking sides in the "Big Brother" thing and you are assuming I did so.

I only asked if the debate would be as great as a debate if big brother passed a law that disallowed me from Pi$$ing in your water supply.

I smoked and caused my own problems. I asked a question. Lets make it point clear. Anti smoking is none of my business. Would you like for the Feds to make it illegal for me to pi$$ in your water supply ?


127 posted on 01/21/2007 6:43:58 PM PST by Dov in Houston (Don't try to confuse me with facts. It's my way or the highway)
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To: flintsilver7; elkfersupper
I think you had better pick up your dictionary.
Allow me...
harmful...of a kind likely to be damaging : INJURIOUS
injurious...inflicting or tending to inflict injury
injury...1 a : an act that damages or hurts : WRONG b : violation of another's rights for which the law allows an action to recover damages
2 : hurt, damage, or loss sustained
My there sure are a lot of synonyms and related words for harmful (Text: causing or capable of causing harm). Could you narrow things down a bit to something more concise?
128 posted on 01/21/2007 6:44:05 PM PST by philman_36
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To: flintsilver7
I think you had better pick up your dictionary.

I think you had better pick up your Constitution.

129 posted on 01/21/2007 6:44:31 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
Private is your kitchen in your home. You can cook in the nude with a cigarette in every bodily orifice. Your dog can lick your dishes clean for you. That's private. If you run a restaurant, there are rules set by the city county or state. They tell you how hot your dishwasher must be and how cold your refrigerator must be. You've got to wear a hair net or a hat when you are cooking and you've got to keep your pants on. No dogs in the kitchen. An inspector comes by periodically to see if you are complying with the rules.

Oh yeah, you can't cook if you have any running sores on your body. I especially like that rule.
130 posted on 01/21/2007 6:56:52 PM PST by Ditter
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To: elkfersupper

Is smoking referenced in the Constitution?

Seriously, though, you need to understand what tyranny is to understand that banning smoking altogether (something I do not support) would be far from it.


131 posted on 01/21/2007 7:26:43 PM PST by flintsilver7
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To: flintsilver7
Is smoking referenced in the Constitution?

Yes, it is, along with bicycle riding, playing darts, and a million other things one might choose to do.

Seriously, though, you need to understand what tyranny is to understand that banning smoking altogether (something I do not support) would be far from it.

I seriously can't believe that you began that sentence with "seriously".

132 posted on 01/21/2007 7:45:56 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: trumandogz

Hey people it started with smoking bans and now you see what is going on in NYC with trans fats. This nanny state ideas of what they think is good for us will only get worse. You will see non-beef establishments and so on. Yeah many people favor the non-smoking areas but this is only the tip of the iceburg.


133 posted on 01/21/2007 8:07:23 PM PST by lndrvr1972
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To: elkfersupper

It is? Wow. I must have missed that. Until smoking is either classified as a private and individual act (which it, in public, is not) or smokers are classified as a protected group, there is actually no constitutional right to smoke.

Seriously.


134 posted on 01/21/2007 8:18:52 PM PST by flintsilver7
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To: Dov in Houston

If you were to urinate in the water pitchers with the permission of restaurant owner and the customers noted the unusual taste of the water, I'd bet that the restaurant would lose business and the government would not have to step in.

On the other hand, the smoke in the restaurant is more easily identifiable to those who wish to avoid it than the urea in the drinking water.

Actually, I gave a relevant analogy: should restaurants be forced to only serve limited-calorie meals because diabetics will be harmed by high calorie meals? How about mandating that the calorie counts be published in the menu?

Or, as in New York City, the city could ban certain ingredients.


135 posted on 01/21/2007 8:52:20 PM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: Ditter

See my #135.

Most people will be harmed by a life-time of repeated exposure to high-calorie meals, so the calorie content of establishments regulated by the health department should look at the menus.


136 posted on 01/21/2007 8:59:24 PM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: Calpernia
I'm stealing that pic!

Hey!  You can have it!  :)

I was AFK for awhile, and just got back and playing ketchup.  You are more then welcome to take it for your own.

137 posted on 01/22/2007 1:44:17 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: trumandogz; gidget7; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; ...
A bar owner cannot pump toxic air into his bar.

Each of the above government regulations are instituted to protect the public safety or at least the perceived public safety. Thus as long as their is a perceived public safety threat from ETS there will continue to be smoking bans.

The stark reality is that within 10 years there will no be a jurisdiction in the U.S. where there are not smoking bans.

Ok, so what about the industry that produced big air purifiers for bars and restaurants that will suck the rug right off of your head?!  I know of such a person that marketed and sold these huge air purifiers.  He has had to foreclose on his home because all of these people have lost their jobs because of the smoking bans.

Air purifiers were the way to go, in order to have a smoking section and a non smoking section.  Just like the big Casino's in Las Vegas.  The air is like glass.  You have to look around to see if anyone is smoking because the air purifiers are sucking out the smoke and what other BO might abound.

But these air purifiers weren't good enough for the highly paid professional anti-smokers and now all their little pinions that have been duped to believe that second hand smoke and smokers have got to go.

Well, you believe what you want about getting rid of smokers, but I don't think it's going to come in your time or the time of your choosing.  Cigarettes are legal and that's a fact. 

Millions of us choose to smoke and we don't want to be around you anymore then you want to be around us.

If you think it's ok to force a business to close and to conform American's into the mold of your choosing, just because you don't want to see people smoking, you are a lot more addicted then any smoker will EVER be!

138 posted on 01/22/2007 1:53:37 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: trumandogz; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; ..
Each of the above government regulations are instituted to protect the public safety or at least the perceived public safety. Thus as long as their is a perceived public safety threat from ETS there will continue to be smoking bans.

Taken from a letter to the Editor in LA:

All citizens do NOT have any "right" to breathe clean air.  If we did, then all planes, automobiles, trucks, factories, and breweries (the source of toxic poisons in the air) would be banned. Only then could everyone "breathe truly clean air".

The Report by the Surgeon General, Richard Carmona, who is a self-described rabid anti-smoker, does not show any "new evidence" as they claim. As the Report itself states, it is merely a compendium of previous reports and biased "studies" written by and/or paid for by the anti-smoker industry. No new studies, no new evidence.

No one has ever died from being around secondhand smoke but this conveniently escapes the anti-smoker zealots.  Coronary heart disease is usually genetic in origin, but it's politically correct nowadays to claim that secondhand smoke is the culprit. Never mind that no unbiased, scientific study has ever proven that secondhand smoke has ever caused anyone any harm; the real truth isn't on their agenda. 

The anti-smoker campaign has never been about health, it's always been about power and control by The Nannies (along with millions of dollars for the anti-smoker and pharmaceutical industries).

139 posted on 01/22/2007 1:56:49 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: trumandogz; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; ..

OSHA and the Environmental Health Department prove secondhand smoke is NOT a health hazard.

 
500 ug (OSHA safe level) divided by 3.3 ug (median reading Applebees) = measured airborne nicotine* levels are 152 times safer than OSHA regulations ie. In other words NO HEALTH HAZARD as per OSHA workplace indoor air quality standards.
(snip)

There is no recognized safe level of exposure to all the substances of secondhand smoke.

That however, is a disingenuous statement, every harmful substance known to mankind has a safe level of exposure......it's called OSHA permissible exposure limits. And if you believed that false premise, no recognized safe level of exposure, we would have to ban drinking water due to the level of arsenic naturally present. We would have to ban the very air we breathe due to the CO2 levels present. (CO2 is fatal at a 20% concentration but with every breath we inhale a 4% concentration).

Secondhand smoke does not rise to the level of being a hazard, as proven scientifically. Therefore even though you may be offended by the smell of tobacco smoke; no government entity has the authority to ban secondhand smoke on the argument of public health hazard - that is a disingenous argument.

Did you notice the pro-smoking ban lies and rhetoric have become more vocal in the media lately? They are frantically trying to defend the indefensible. Perhaps another $100 million from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation would help.

140 posted on 01/22/2007 1:59:26 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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