Anti-smoking milestone reached in U.S.

KPIC 4 - Oregon ^ | 1/20/07 | The Associated Press.

[NJRighty]

Government intruding on one's freedoms is a milestone to the smoking ban advocates.

[philman_36]

The anti-tobacco campaign of the Nazis: Posted on 10/21/1999
One topic that has only recently begun to attract attention is the Nazi anti-tobacco movement.
Germany had the world's strongest anti smoking movement in the 1930s and early 1940s,supported by Nazi medical and military leaders worried that tobacco might prove a hazard to the race.

Do they know who they emulate?

[digger48]

If it's actually about "Health"

Just ban the damn things!

Was it about "Health" when they first forced airlines to segregate smokers?

[digger48]

They love Hitlers gun control policies too

[Prodigal Son]

I'm a smoker. I like smoke free eateries and pubs. It's nice.

[Calpernia]

ping

[somemoreequalthanothers]

Smoking = bad

Tax revenue from smokers = good!

Such a conundrum.

[Calpernia]

emulate? I would use constituent.

[unixfox]

I'm a smoker. I like smoke free eateries and pubs. It's nice.

I like my FREEDOM.

[flintsilver7]

If that's your best argument, you had best sit this one out. Godwin's law has been satisfied in reply number......that's right, one!

I personally find smoking utterly repulsive - especially since I'm highly allergic to cigarette smoke. I frequent bowling alleys on their smoke-free nights and plenty of smoke-free bars. Bars that do allow smoking will only see me late on Tuesday night, for example - basically when nobody's around. Businesses have found that banning smoking is a good thing for business, not a bad thing, and all the smokers' whining isn't going to change that.

I don't really care what smokers do as long as it's not around me. I don't seek out smoke-filled places - I make most every attempt to avoid it. I don't care what people do in their own homes, but I would be perfectly fine with a public smoking ban.

[Tai_Chung]

I wish we could see a similar movement toward illegals crossing our boarder.

[philman_36]

Godwin's law has been satisfied in reply number......that's right, one!
An appeal to Godwin's law? That's pretty lame. If the comparison is valid it doesn't apply.

[flintsilver7]

Are you suggesting that because of the evils of the Nazi regime everything they've ever believed or espoused is not only discounted, it's considered wrong?

I didn't say the comparison was incorrect. I said it was foolish and you're appealing to a boogeyman (The Nazis did it! Run!) rather than constructing a logical argument.

[somemoreequalthanothers]

but I would be perfectly fine with a public smoking ban.

What most of us here know is that it has nothing to do with smoking.

[flintsilver7]

You may be right but I'm not so sure of that. It is difficult to oppose something that on its surface is a good thing because of an ulterior motive I don't see but may be there.

[metesky]

There are two arguments here, imo:

1.)The right of private property owners to regulate the legal consumption of a legal product on their own property.

2.) The absolute refusal of the anti-smoking coalition to allow smokers a place to gather with like minded people.

Shouldn't there be a "right to choose" when it comes to entering a smoking vs a non-smoking barroom? If 23% of American adults are smokers, why can't a few bars and/or restaurants find a niche catering exclusively to smoking adults?

Aren't all of our associations as free men and women supposed to be voluntary and not coerced by gub'mint?

And Godwin's Law is BS put out by the same crowd that propagates crap like , "You can't fight City Hall." One has to take the situation as it rises and when it comes to smoke gnatzies it's usually a case of, "If the jack boot fits..."

[Ditter]

>>"What most of us here know is that it has nothing to do with smoking">>>>

But it DOES! It has EVERYTHING to do with smoking! Not YOUR smoking but the 'breathing in of your smoke' that your smoking in public places causes non smokers to do. We don't want to smoke just because you are smoking. Smoking sections are a failure and these bans are the result. Go smoke at home, honest, we don't care.

[somemoreequalthanothers]

That's how it starts. In the beginning only politically safe 'vices' are banned, first in governement locations, then private business properties, then your car, then your home.

The left realized they bit off more than they could chew with gun control, and they have to start a bit smaller, but that's one of the big targets all of this is geared for. No doubt in my mind.

[flintsilver7]

I know the drill.

I don't really see any parallels between guns and cigarettes, though.

[philman_36]

Are you suggesting that because of the evils of the Nazi regime everything they've ever believed or espoused is not only discounted, it's considered wrong?
Not that I'm aware of. (oh my, I ended in a preposition) Are you suggesting that I did or am?

If the comparison is valid it (that being Godwin's law) doesn't apply.
I didn't say the comparison was incorrect.
Then how can you say...Godwin's law has been satisfied in reply number... when by your own admission it was never applicable?

I said it was foolish and you're appealing to a boogeyman (The Nazis did it! Run!) rather than constructing a logical argument.
I don't see those words anywhere at all in your previous replies. If you had intended to say that then perhaps you should've sad that from the outset.
Aren't you practicing revisionism?