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TIME FOR A REVOLUTION
January 21, 2007 | John C. Dowell

Posted on 01/21/2007 4:36:07 AM PST by Semper

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To: tertiary01
If you can obtain a government that stays to it's constitution and doesn't meddle in other matters, you won't need lobbyists.

This is called reasoning from a false hypothesis.

ML/NJ

141 posted on 01/21/2007 8:57:57 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

My other hypothesis is that you are a lobbyist in fear of your job.


142 posted on 01/21/2007 8:59:56 AM PST by tertiary01 (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".)
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To: Dudoight; kenth
I want a government that makes lobbying illegal.

Huh? lobbying is at the essence of our Republic, without it, we have an oligarchy. You as a citizen have the very basic right to petition government, ie lobby. Likewise, you have the inalienable right to organize with like minded individuals (see 1st Amendment) and petition government en masse to better make your voices heard. I can't believe we have serious calls on FR to make this practice enshrined in the constitution illegal.

143 posted on 01/21/2007 9:00:14 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Suzy Quzy; Dudoight; kenth

I suspect that neither one of them have the slightest clue as to what they are genuinely suggesting.


144 posted on 01/21/2007 9:02:39 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Semper

Yep--the time HAS come--1984 HAS also come....AND GONE--so what?????


145 posted on 01/21/2007 9:09:20 AM PST by gunnyg
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
Create a truly Conservative Cable Network.

It's been done. Paul Weyrich created N.E.T. in the early-mid 90's, which later became America's Voice and finally Amvoice. N.E.T. stood for National Empowerment Television. It rocked, but it made no money. Which of course is the problem. How many people want a political channel of any stripe? The answer of course is very few. There is simply not enough money in the venture.

146 posted on 01/21/2007 9:11:13 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Melas

Well, keep offending. The knuckleheads, and all kinds of emotionally driven ideas, have sprouted like mushrooms since the election.


147 posted on 01/21/2007 9:11:37 AM PST by muleskinner
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To: KeepUSfree

Well said.


148 posted on 01/21/2007 9:14:13 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Dudoight
I want wars waged to win.

How about no wars except for the right reason, which is not anything seen recently.

149 posted on 01/21/2007 9:14:17 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Semper
Did this post get a Vanity Alert?
150 posted on 01/21/2007 9:15:40 AM PST by muleskinner
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To: Melas
It's odd how something as popular as talk radio does not translate to TV. People moved to Fox by the droves. You'd think there is a untapped market.
151 posted on 01/21/2007 9:16:59 AM PST by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Two simple laws would change the entire system in Washington, but I doubt that we could ever get them passed.

1. Only individuals can contribute to a political candidate.

2. No one can contribute to a political candidate for whom they cannot vote.

This would force our representatives to truly represent their constituants or get replaced at the next election.


152 posted on 01/21/2007 9:39:13 AM PST by tenn2005 (Birth is merely an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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To: tertiary01
My other hypothesis is that you are a lobbyist in fear of your job.

Just as wrong as the first.

I just cannot imagine why anyone here would want to ban hiring someone to influence legislation. When that happens only the unemployed will be able to exert some influence, or would you ban that too? And then you could ban all those supposed experts who testify before the committees. Our great political leaders could just brainstorm everything on their own. And you think things are bad now!

ML/NJ

153 posted on 01/21/2007 9:48:39 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: bert
Look fella...don't talk down to me. I understand our political system just fine, with the parties and the primaries and the money and what not. MY point is that the whole "system" you are enamored with is corrupt; a bastardized version of what was given us by the Founding Fathers.

No, I do not tolerate all views, and this nation should not tolerate all views. There are views and causes espoused by both major parties that would have the Founding Fathers spinning in their graves. There are political parties whose very platforms run afoul of the basic, founding principles of our nation (Commies, Greens). There are movements, such as the homosexual push for special marriage and adoption rights, that are positively poisonous to the fundemental values and principles we were founded upon. This kind of diversity is not what we need, and we shouldn't tolerate it at all.

Apparently though, to your mind, as long as any of these groups can secure the most money and votes to win the primary elections, they're fine and dandy. That very thinking, sir, is what's causing our society and nation to collapse from within.

What I propose is the American Spirit in its most basic form. When a government, or a group of people, become so tyrannical as to trample our own God-given rights, it is our duty as Americans to stand up and tell those tyrants we won't take it anymore. Bloodlessly would be best, of course, but that's why the Founding Fathers protected our RKBA with the 2d Amendment.

Our two dominant party system is broken. It was once easy to differentiate between the Rats and the Pubbies, now they're Coke and Pepsi. Nowadays, who is calling for the dismantling of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Americorps, Job Corps, the Departments of Energy, Education, Homeland Security, Labor, Health and Human Services, the Interior and a whole slew of otherwise un-Constitutional functions of government? No one! Hell's bells, the two dominant parties are tripping all over themselves to see who can grow government faster than the other! Meanwhile, who's throwing Border Patrol agents and Marines in jail for doing their jobs? The damn Pubbies, for cryin' out loud!

(Whew...take a breath)

I could go on, but I'll spare everyone. No, your view that I don't understand the system is dead wrong. My view is that the "system" you espouse is the very reason we're in this mess in the first place. I hate to say it, but we will be lucky if all we have coming is eight more years of a Commie Klintoon in the WH. If we don't stop tolerating so much PC and immorality/amorality, if don't stop preaching diversity and start preaching commonality (as in the common values we were founded upon), well, I hope you speak Spanish and Chinese, 'cause that your future. Mine is the motto of New Hampshire, "Live Free or Die."

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

154 posted on 01/21/2007 10:04:15 AM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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To: Semper
We can't change the past but we sure can shape the future.

Why now? What is so pressing? Who do you revolt against first?

155 posted on 01/21/2007 10:15:45 AM PST by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: ml/nj

If we have a Congress that whose activities are restricted to those issues only addressed in the Constitution, it would greatly reduce the need for lobbyists to influence legislation. Just think of all the lobbyists trying to influence agricultural and energy policies to name just two. Since these are not constitutional areas all lobbyists... POOF....GONE


156 posted on 01/21/2007 10:24:55 AM PST by tertiary01 (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".)
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To: ml/nj
I just cannot imagine why anyone here would want to ban hiring someone to influence legislation. When that happens only the unemployed will be able to exert some influence, or would you ban that too? And then you could ban all those supposed experts who testify before the committees. Our great political leaders could just brainstorm everything on their own. And you think things are bad now!

An aspect of the system that is problematic is that an inordinate amount of the information our representatives get comes from the career bureaucrats that inhabit the beltway. They are lobbyists in their own right, seeking expansions of government intrusion and authority they they will inherit by proxy, in thier own interests. In many ways, they have more access to and opportunity to influence your representatives than you do.

157 posted on 01/21/2007 10:28:17 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Starboard
"I live in Virginia and helplessly watched a very good Senator be destroyed by the press and replaced by the village idiot"

I live in Maryland and helplessly watched a very good Governor be destroyed by the press and replaced by the village idiot

And I live in PA where I watched first the local media in Santorum's home area shred him with every Demonrat talking point DAILY in the local papers and on TV, beginning 4 yrs. before his election (Lord only knows what was going on in the rest of the state,) which was then joined by the national, state media, posters on FR, etc., over 2 yrs. before the election until he was unrecognizable by his own family. He was then replaced by an empty suit village idiot with a less than room temperature IQ and a recognizable name. In fact, many of the idiots who voted for him believed they were voting for his dead father since he remained hidden during the entire campaign.

158 posted on 01/21/2007 10:31:10 AM PST by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: tertiary01
If we have a Congress that whose activities are restricted to those issues only addressed in the Constitution

You're apparently so upset that you cannot even type correctly, but you continue to reason from false hypotheses.

Don't get me wrong. I'd like to go back to the Constitution of Madison and Jefferson, but it's just not going to happen.

And, BTW, it's not just Congress.

ML/NJ

159 posted on 01/21/2007 10:32:00 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Semper
The Libertarians have the "brick and mortar" and we have the virtual world. Let's steal the Libertarians apparatus and have a go.
160 posted on 01/21/2007 10:35:08 AM PST by Porterville (Destroy the Death Culture of Socialism)
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