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BREAKING: 20 U.S. service members killed in Iraq
YAHOO NEWS ^ | 20 JANUARY 2007 | AP

Posted on 01/20/2007 6:31:11 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist

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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
The way the media keeps focusing on how many soldiers were killed must make it seem like a contest to the enemy. They probably think that if they take out a whole lot of our guys at once, THEN we'll pack up and leave the next day.

Just like Vietnam, the media is trying to lose this war for us.

61 posted on 01/20/2007 8:46:43 PM PST by IrishRainy ((The only way BJ Clinton would have nailed bin Laden is if Ossama had been a White House intern.))
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To: Laverne
the terrorists who shot down the helicopter

Hmm, the article says the helicopter suffered a mechanical glitch. No one shot it down. Helicopters don't really fly, they beat the air into submission, but not so very infrequently, the air wins.

Navy Capt. Frank Pascual, a member of a U.S. media relations team in the United Arab Emirates, told Al-Arabiya television that the helicopter was believed to have suffered technical troubles before going down.

62 posted on 01/20/2007 8:52:07 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: LibFreeUSA

When the big numbers of troops arrive, the militias will simply disappear. There will be nothing to apply the firepower to.


63 posted on 01/20/2007 8:55:43 PM PST by Chaguito
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Oh dear Lord, my heart and prayers go out to their families, friends and battle buddies.


64 posted on 01/20/2007 8:59:51 PM PST by Chena
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To: atomic conspiracy

The MSM is such a crock. 20 in one day is not a fun thing, and my prayers and sympathy go out to all the families. I suspect my son will be deployed there within months, although we don't know for sure at the present.

But it was not uncommon to lose 3,000 servicemen in an single day during WW II. Thank god we didn't have today's media back then.


65 posted on 01/20/2007 9:07:41 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: observer5
If the troops that are there were allowed to do the job, that would do

If they are going after the Shiite militias, they are doing the job, finally.

But I guess you'd just rather kill 'em all and let God sort them out? Well, I hate to tell you, but that's just not going happen, , even with the use of strategic sized nukes. Nor would it work if it did, unless by "all" you mean all Muslims, including the ones fighting side by side with our forces against the evil ones, and the ones giving us basing rights in their counties, and so on.

No, these things have to be done properly. The right people have to be killed or imprisoned. (I prefer killed BTW, less repercussions).

66 posted on 01/20/2007 9:13:01 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: TomGuy
The rules of engagement were supposed to change.

Seems to me that they have, what with raiding hospitals, grabbing Mookie's aides, and whatever was going down with those US choppers buzzing around Mookie's HQ.

67 posted on 01/20/2007 9:15:28 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: LibFreeUSA
this quagmire

Say no more, we know who you've thrown in with. Pretty unsavory company I'd say.

The troops, for the most part, don't think it's a quamire, nor does their military and civilian leadership.

Now the Cape Cod Orca, Nancy Pelosini, Dingy Harry, Mad Murtha, and that whole crowd, along with the various ABCCBSMSNBCAOLTIMEWARNERCNN talking heads, call it a quagmire, as they have from day negative 600 or so. They predicted a quagmire in Afghanistan before the first boots hit the ground there.

But you're welcome to that crowd, you can have 'em.

68 posted on 01/20/2007 9:20:14 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: BW2221
U.S. action in Iraq has gone on longer that this country's involvement in WWII and what do we have to show for it?

About 400,000 fewer casualties, for starters.

69 posted on 01/20/2007 9:24:31 PM PST by Nevermore
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To: BW2221
I hate to break this to you, but the U.S. action in Iraq has gone on longer that this country's involvement in WWII and what do we have to show for it?

All our cities are more or less intact. Well except for New Orleans, and the terrorists had nothing do with that quagmire, except for the NOPD and NO mayor that is.

We've got pile and piles of dead terrorists that won't be shooting up your local mall.

We've got at least semi-functioning Free governments in Afghanistan and Iraq. Functioning in the face of foreign and foreign supported terrorist actions the likes of which even Israel has rarely experienced. The Mad Mullahs and Angry Ayatollahs are giving it their best shot, and are not winning.

70 posted on 01/20/2007 9:25:39 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Laverne
With all due respect, you should be focusing your ire on the terrorists who shot down the helicopter, not the President of the United States.

Well Laverne this is how I see it, he "Jorge" is commander-in-chief, if he doesn't have the get up to give the order. Then get out of the way and let someone else do it. But we've got to stop this hunker down and get good men killed stuff.

71 posted on 01/20/2007 9:28:52 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: NRA2BFree
It's time we bomb the crap out of that "un-holy city" and the one that Sadar uses to prepare for terror attacks against our troops.

That is the one Sadr uses, although he has considerable presence in Sadar City, which is really a western neighborhood of Baghdad.

You think those US helicopters were just sightseeing around Sadr's HQ?

72 posted on 01/20/2007 9:30:53 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: FlyVet
Any thoughts?

You obviously didn't listen to the President's recent speech about the increase in troop strength. You also haven't been following recent news stories to closely. The reason the troops pulled back after clearing an area was that their were not sufficient troops, coalition and/or Iraqi, to hold them. That's Bush's fault, and he likely got that advice from Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld is out, and the President seems to be getting different advice now.

We've got a Marine as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, we've put the General who literally wrote the book on fighting insurgencies in as the Commander on the ground in Iraq, and for the first time ever, put a Carrier Admiral in charge of CentCom.

73 posted on 01/20/2007 9:38:02 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Your critique is welcome. Let's see how it goes.


74 posted on 01/20/2007 9:40:59 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: TomGuy
We won WWII because the Japanese, and then the Germans surrendered.

Before you go running off at the keyboard like that, you really ought to get your facts straight. The German surrender, VE day, was in May of 1945, the Japanese surrender, VJ day, didn't occur until August of that year.

75 posted on 01/20/2007 9:42:15 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Eternal rest grant to them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them.
May they rest in peace.

Amen.

That so sucks,hold you close in prayer.


76 posted on 01/20/2007 9:50:26 PM PST by fatima (Thank you to all our troops.)
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To: FlyVet
Except that the hardcore Special Forces commanders have not been invited. If not, why not?

How about the former commander of the 101st Airborne who commanded it during the initial invasion of Iraq? He's just been named Commander of the Coalition forces in Iraq. Earlier he commanded a battalion in the 101st, and a brigade in the 82nd. Not special ops, but definitely a down and dirty bunch. Or is a paratrooper just too "wimpy" for you? Additionally he's most recently been the commander of the Combined Arms Center at Ft. Leavenworth.

As for "Top Special Forces generals, the Chief of Staff of the Army, http://www.army.mil/leaders/leaders/csa/biography.html> General Peter Schoomaker, was pulled out of retirement in 2003 to become the CoS. He was Commanding General of the Joint Special Operations Command from July 1994 to August 1996, followed by command of the United States Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg, North Carolina through October 1997. His most recent assignment prior to assuming duties as the Army Chief of Staff was as Commander in Chief, United States Special Operations Command at MacDill Air Force Base, Florida, from November 1997 to November 2000. He's also served with and commanded more conventional units as well.

"Top" and "Special" enough for you?

77 posted on 01/20/2007 10:07:44 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

If your concern is which came first (by 3 months) -- the Japanese surrender or the German surrender -- you missed the point of the statement.


78 posted on 01/20/2007 10:17:08 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: El Gato
Or is a paratrooper just too "wimpy" for you?

Nope. Tougher than me, for sure. Does that suit you?

"Top" and "Special" enough for you?

Yup.

Now, let's see if they are allowed to fight. Let's see how it goes.

79 posted on 01/20/2007 10:18:52 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: El Gato
Seems to me that they have, what with raiding hospitals, grabbing Mookie's aides, and whatever was going down with those US choppers buzzing around Mookie's HQ.

We'll have to wait and see --- how many US soldiers end up in prison for being mean to Iraqis.
80 posted on 01/20/2007 10:19:40 PM PST by TomGuy
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