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KRISS of Death: Unconventional and Deadly .45 ACP Subgun Makes It's Debut
Defense Review ^ | 1/20/07 | David Crane

Posted on 01/20/2007 9:07:49 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

What do you get when you cross a gas pump nozzle with a Thompson submachine gun? No, it's not a joke. It's a new and rather unconventional .45-caliber (.45 ACP) subgun that attenuates/mitigates felt recoil and muzzle rise/climb--thus increasing controllability--on full-auto by putting the bore axis at or slightly below the centerline of the shooter's fist and forearm and combining that ergonomic aspect with a mechanical recoil attenuation/mitigation system. It's called the KRISS Super V Sub-machine gun, and it's brought to you by the good folks at Transformational Defense Industries (TDI), headquartered in Washington, D.C.

That's more than a little ironic. Think about it--a select-fire (full-auto capable) small arm being developed in D.C., one of the most anti-legal-firearms-ownership/anti-Second Amendment cities in the country. Most likely, TDI's manufacturing facility is located outside the District (in an actual state, somewhere), and it would seem logical that their testing facility would be located somewhere in Virginia. We'll look into it.

TDI claims that in addition to reducing felt recoil and muzzle rise on full-auto, the KRISS's unique design reduces weapon weight by as much as 50%. The total number of parts (including moving parts) is supposed to also be lower, but DefRev doesn't have a parts count, yet. According to the company, the KRISS Super V subgun can be adapted to other calibers. We assume this means that 9mm (9x19mm) and .40 S&W versions are possible.

The TDI website states that the KRISS prototype has already been "extensively analyzed and tested by the US Army Picatinny Arsenal" (NJ), and that the the KRISS weapons platform "has proven itself to be a major step forward that can equip the war fighters of today with the ability to deliver a large quantity of high impact rounds with the accuracy that can only come from a low-recoil, light-weight weapon."

DefenseReview will try to acquire the results of those tests, ASAP. In the meantime, we highly recommend that our readers take a look at the KRISS Super V Sub-machine gun video clip (link below). From viewing the video clip, it's DefRev's opinion that TDI needs to do a just a few things with regard to further developing the KRISS:

1) Develop a 30-round magazine, or make the KRISS compatible with Thompson 30-round box mags.

2) Redesign and elongate the magwell so it can be used as a vertical foregrip, or design an actual vertical foregrip (fixed or folding) for the weapon. If a folding vertical foregrip is designed, it must be sturdy/robust. If a separate vertical foregrip is added, the barrel will most likely have to be lengthened slightly. Without a vertical foregrip, the firing method employed by the test shooters in the TDI video clip looks just a wee-bit dangerous for the shooter, as the support hand must be placed awfully close to the muzzle during full-auto fire. It just doesn't look safe to us. A robust vertical foregrip would provide for a much more secure (and thus safer) hold. It would also allow the KRISS to be used as a less-lethal blunt impact weapon for CQB/CQC (Close Quarters Battel/Close Quarters Combat), where lethal force isn't necessarily required.

3) Reduce the weapon's cyclic rate/rate-of-fire (ROF) a bit.

We have to be honest--DefenseReview can't wait to get our hands on this rather handy-looking package as soon as we possibly can. Unless the company's video clip is deceiving, it just has to be fun to shoot. It's just too weird-looking not to be.

Right-Click here to download and watch TDI's video clip of the KRISS Super V Sub-machine gun prototype (.45 ACP) being fired on full-auto at the range. Once you right-click on the link, just click on "Save Target As" to download it to (and save it on) your computer.

Click here to view Armed Forces Journal's (AFJ) slow-motion video clip of the KRISS prototype .45 ACP being fired on full-auto. Again, keep your eyes on the muzzle as the weapon is fired one-handed on full-auto. The weapon remains controllable, although it looks like there's a bit of torque.

Click here to read what Armed Forces Journal (AFJ) had to say about the KRISS prototype .45 ACP, after they ran it at the 2005 Shoot-out at Blackwater.

If you'd like to get more info on the KRISS Super V Submachine gun, DefRev suggests that you contact Transformational Defense Industries (TDI) by phone at 202-719-4572, or by fax at 202-719-3123. Ask for Andrew Finn. Mr. Finn is TDI's Senior Vice President. TDI is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Gamma Research & Technologies, which is headquartered in Switzerland.

http://www.transformationaldefenseindustries.com/

http://www.transformationaldefenseindustries.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3&Itemid=6



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To: org.whodat

"Well this post shows that a lot of you people are a little short of firearms knowledge..."

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No it doesn't. It's posted FYI for anyone interested.


21 posted on 01/20/2007 9:44:44 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Nice concept, but not your first choice for concealed carry obviously.


22 posted on 01/20/2007 9:46:58 AM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I used to think bullpups were fugly ...


23 posted on 01/20/2007 9:47:01 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: org.whodat
you people are a little short of firearms knowledge.

It's usually best when denigrating other folks firearms knowledge to at least not refer to a magazine as a clip.

24 posted on 01/20/2007 9:47:13 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: stm
"Let's hope these things never find their way to the civilian market."

Why on earth would you write something like that?

Semper Fi

An Old Man

25 posted on 01/20/2007 9:47:35 AM PST by An Old Man (USMC 1956 1960)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Is that a telescopic sight? Where do you mount the bayonet?


26 posted on 01/20/2007 9:47:58 AM PST by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Very nice. Can't wait until it gets on the CA approved list.


27 posted on 01/20/2007 9:48:32 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: dudewheresmytank
that's about the ugliest gun ive ever seen, but still, that's awesome

It is not ugly, it's pretty, and you stop saying mean things like that.

28 posted on 01/20/2007 9:49:53 AM PST by Fairview
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To: An Old Man

Because if they ever do make it to the civilian market they will no doubt wind up in the hands of dope dealers. As if we don't have enough problems already with them.


29 posted on 01/20/2007 9:51:00 AM PST by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: kiriath_jearim
This thing needs to be sent to Iraq. Excellent for clearing rooms.

I see no point in having a 9mm version. There are plenty of functional 9mm weapons. What makes this special is the fact that it is a .45.

Move over Thompson.
30 posted on 01/20/2007 9:51:13 AM PST by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: kiriath_jearim

The border is a perfect venue for life-fire testing.

Plenty of disposable, reactive targets.


31 posted on 01/20/2007 9:51:31 AM PST by Jolly Swagman
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To: ArtyFO

Nope, it's an M68 reflex day sight. It's just a fancy and very espensive red dot sight made by AimPoint.


32 posted on 01/20/2007 9:52:14 AM PST by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: kiriath_jearim
I would dearly love to see someone come up with a five round super compact .45 caliber designed for concealed carry. I'm talking something that would fit neatly into your pocket. If you haven't hit the punk assaulting you with five rounds you have at least bought yourself some time to leave the scene.
33 posted on 01/20/2007 9:53:24 AM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: IronJack

A-10 ugly, but built to be functional.


34 posted on 01/20/2007 9:55:18 AM PST by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: kiriath_jearim

bookmark


35 posted on 01/20/2007 9:57:21 AM PST by DocRock (Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark)
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To: ryan71

Go ugly early.


36 posted on 01/20/2007 9:57:32 AM PST by magslinger (LOST-My tagline. It's short, and incredibly funny. If you find it please FReepmail Magslinger.)
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To: IronJack

With Hydra Shok ammo and no silly top sight to snag on clothing, this would make an awesome security detail weapon slung under an arm inside of a coat.


37 posted on 01/20/2007 10:03:40 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

damn.... chew the ammo like a cookie o.O


38 posted on 01/20/2007 10:04:58 AM PST by MrJapan
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To: org.whodat

The Mac is a POS. Probably enough to impress somebody who knows nothing about guns, like you.


39 posted on 01/20/2007 10:05:36 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: MHGinTN
"With Hydra Shok ammo and no silly top sight to snag on clothing, this would make an awesome security detail weapon slung under an arm inside of a coat."

I agree. In that capacity, this weapon would be absolutely awesome. Probably the best ever invented. It's the perfect in close weapon.

40 posted on 01/20/2007 10:06:43 AM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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