Posted on 01/20/2007 9:07:49 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
What do you get when you cross a gas pump nozzle with a Thompson submachine gun? No, it's not a joke. It's a new and rather unconventional .45-caliber (.45 ACP) subgun that attenuates/mitigates felt recoil and muzzle rise/climb--thus increasing controllability--on full-auto by putting the bore axis at or slightly below the centerline of the shooter's fist and forearm and combining that ergonomic aspect with a mechanical recoil attenuation/mitigation system. It's called the KRISS Super V Sub-machine gun, and it's brought to you by the good folks at Transformational Defense Industries (TDI), headquartered in Washington, D.C.
That's more than a little ironic. Think about it--a select-fire (full-auto capable) small arm being developed in D.C., one of the most anti-legal-firearms-ownership/anti-Second Amendment cities in the country. Most likely, TDI's manufacturing facility is located outside the District (in an actual state, somewhere), and it would seem logical that their testing facility would be located somewhere in Virginia. We'll look into it.
TDI claims that in addition to reducing felt recoil and muzzle rise on full-auto, the KRISS's unique design reduces weapon weight by as much as 50%. The total number of parts (including moving parts) is supposed to also be lower, but DefRev doesn't have a parts count, yet. According to the company, the KRISS Super V subgun can be adapted to other calibers. We assume this means that 9mm (9x19mm) and .40 S&W versions are possible.
The TDI website states that the KRISS prototype has already been "extensively analyzed and tested by the US Army Picatinny Arsenal" (NJ), and that the the KRISS weapons platform "has proven itself to be a major step forward that can equip the war fighters of today with the ability to deliver a large quantity of high impact rounds with the accuracy that can only come from a low-recoil, light-weight weapon."
DefenseReview will try to acquire the results of those tests, ASAP. In the meantime, we highly recommend that our readers take a look at the KRISS Super V Sub-machine gun video clip (link below). From viewing the video clip, it's DefRev's opinion that TDI needs to do a just a few things with regard to further developing the KRISS:
1) Develop a 30-round magazine, or make the KRISS compatible with Thompson 30-round box mags.
2) Redesign and elongate the magwell so it can be used as a vertical foregrip, or design an actual vertical foregrip (fixed or folding) for the weapon. If a folding vertical foregrip is designed, it must be sturdy/robust. If a separate vertical foregrip is added, the barrel will most likely have to be lengthened slightly. Without a vertical foregrip, the firing method employed by the test shooters in the TDI video clip looks just a wee-bit dangerous for the shooter, as the support hand must be placed awfully close to the muzzle during full-auto fire. It just doesn't look safe to us. A robust vertical foregrip would provide for a much more secure (and thus safer) hold. It would also allow the KRISS to be used as a less-lethal blunt impact weapon for CQB/CQC (Close Quarters Battel/Close Quarters Combat), where lethal force isn't necessarily required.
3) Reduce the weapon's cyclic rate/rate-of-fire (ROF) a bit.
We have to be honest--DefenseReview can't wait to get our hands on this rather handy-looking package as soon as we possibly can. Unless the company's video clip is deceiving, it just has to be fun to shoot. It's just too weird-looking not to be.
Right-Click here to download and watch TDI's video clip of the KRISS Super V Sub-machine gun prototype (.45 ACP) being fired on full-auto at the range. Once you right-click on the link, just click on "Save Target As" to download it to (and save it on) your computer.
Click here to view Armed Forces Journal's (AFJ) slow-motion video clip of the KRISS prototype .45 ACP being fired on full-auto. Again, keep your eyes on the muzzle as the weapon is fired one-handed on full-auto. The weapon remains controllable, although it looks like there's a bit of torque.
Click here to read what Armed Forces Journal (AFJ) had to say about the KRISS prototype .45 ACP, after they ran it at the 2005 Shoot-out at Blackwater.
If you'd like to get more info on the KRISS Super V Submachine gun, DefRev suggests that you contact Transformational Defense Industries (TDI) by phone at 202-719-4572, or by fax at 202-719-3123. Ask for Andrew Finn. Mr. Finn is TDI's Senior Vice President. TDI is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Gamma Research & Technologies, which is headquartered in Switzerland.
http://www.transformationaldefenseindustries.com/
http://www.transformationaldefenseindustries.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3&Itemid=6
It's a plain old Aimpoint red dot sight.
> KRISS XSMG Prototype Demonstration
WOW. Great demo! Hard to argue with the results...
Wouldn't it be easier to have a projection in the back with a semi-circulat "fork" that would fit around the forearm? Such a projection could offer side-to-side flexibility while preventing the firearm from pointing more than a few degrees above the axis of the forearm.
I'm not a cop, but I'm better educated than you will ever be.
Are you the brave cop who body slammed that little old lady?
"...Drug dealers mouths are watering from coast to coast. Let's hope these things never find their way to the civilian market..."
Could you please clarify your statement on why drug dealers and other criminal thugs should have any bearing whatsoever on private firearms ownership? If the free marketplace will support it, this firearm should be available for purchase by everyone.
~ Blue Jays ~
Because he's a statist puke, that's why.
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OK ,where do you get your doctorate?? And what was the subject matter of your dissertation and title of your works.
Oh, thou enemy of the Second Amendment!
but as high over the barrel as its sitting, would it actually be worth anything?
Image courtesy of Lazamataz.
What a total load of crap. To the contrary let's hope that every household is able to get one. Of course GC '86 made certain that only government bureaucrats and other criminals can get these but what the heck. Don't let facts or reason stand in the way of your anti-gun diatribe.
Huh? Carbines have been around since musketry.
I have news for you sport, I have carried a gun for well over half my life and through two wars. I am hardly anti-gun you idiot.
Yup, a full auto .45 machine gun, just the thing every household needs for self defense. It's time you put that crack pipe down, that stuff is rotting your brain.
They've already got theirs, often obtained in deals with cops on their payrolls.
And I already have mine.
So what? You think that makes you some sort of expert on 2nd amendment rights? obviously not. Anyone who thinks that some types of guns are ok and others aren't is obviously in the brady/schumer camp. Note I'm not calling you a retard in response to your insulting comment to me.
The trick is: don't try to fight it, or pull against expected recoil. It's only the recoil of a .45 handgun cartridge in a 10-pound-plus weapon, after all.
I was around 16 years old when I was first turned loose with a Thompson and taught how to use it. What I learned dealing with it- not my first exposure to SMG use- has come in pretty handy a few times since.
And yeah, a couple of times since then, I've carried a Thompson when my life depended on it. They're a bit heavy and bulky, but they work.
No doubt the reason why about half of the Special Forces advisors to the Salvadorians carried .45 MAC 10 SMGs, in preference to several other choices they had, including the then-new H&K MPk PDW.
Likely they didn't know that much about guns, either. Except about how to use them, and keep them working.
Likewise the British SAS working in Northern Ireland, and the Israelis during the hostage rescue at Entebbe, both of whom also carried and used Ingram guns.
And quite a few of the 7 Squadron rotorheads and other pilots I've known liked the things better than most of the other possibilities available to them.
have you checked out the New MP7? looks pretty sweet itself
It's a red-dot sight. Gives the visual of a laser without actually projecting onto the target.
Pretty common these days, actually.
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