Posted on 01/20/2007 6:20:34 AM PST by Ladycalif
President Bush is expected to reach out to the families of two Texas Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a Mexican drug smuggler.
White House staff contacted former agent Ignacio Ramos' family early Friday, assuring them the president would call them soon, said Monica Ramos, the agent's wife.
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He did not spend enough time at the firing range. Practice, practice, practice.
But then some freepers would miss the opportunity to bash GWB. They have their minds made up and facts would only confuse them.
Touched a naked nerve with you there, did I?
Hey, just thought of something else..... Mabye Ramos and Compean and their families ought to sue those three jurors because if they have voted not guilty then neither Ramos/Compean would be in prison as convicted felons... Also think of all the money this will cost us tax payers if they really didn't vote as they felt and caved in to pressure and cast an untruthful vote thus no upholding their sworn duty and getting this thing overturned. Maybe they should be given an opportunity to explain their votes under appeal as I'm sure the defense would like to explore it with them.
Did you know that Homeland Security sent two swat teams to arrest the border agents?
Oh well, it's just money-OUR money....
They also have the bullet they pulled out of the drug runners behind which matched the ballistics of the agent's gun. The screw up was in not reporting, and then covering up the shooting, which is a serious issue. They opened the door by not reporting it, then denying it, then ultimately admitting it. Makes them look guilty to a jury, which heard the entire situation, including testimony from other border agents who came to the assistance of these two and corroborated the illegal's story.
Fact is, when they shot at him, they did not know he had the drugs...they just knew he was illegally fleeing. The one agent, who caught up with the guy, slipped and fell and the alien took off. The alien and the statements of some of the other agents indicate that the offficer was about to hit him with the butt of his shotgun when the agent fell down. The story about the illegal's gun came up later and was not a consistent story either to the prosecution, or to the other agents on the scene.
The other agent opened fire at that point and that is understandable when he sees his partner go down and the perp fleeing. The agen that went down also fired at the alien many times, apparently not knowing they hit him in the buttocks.
Like I said, the grave error in judgement on these agents part was in not only not reporting it, but picking up the casings to cover it up. Had they not done that, they would be free IMHO and probably have suffered some sort of suspension. Or, it they had taken the plea bargain, they would have gotten, as I understand it, a suspended sentence. It was in not reporting it and actively covering it up...the latter part is a criminal act..that they messed up badly and gave the opportunity for their prosecution.
It sickens me that an opportunity was given to some prosecutor to use an illegal, drug running aline to prosecute to agents with heretofore good records. it sickens me that this perp is free, scott free, for his statements...which is a travesty IMHO...and it is giving fuel to the open borders crowd for continuing to let this national shame go on. But these agents themselves bear a lot of blame in that they opened up the door by their own acts.
I'm sure it will happen. You don't hear much about those jurors in the news do you? It's like a black-out.
You said -- "Because they were told that the judge would not accept a hung jury. They were not strong enough to stand up for the principles."
And if I was on that jury, I would "hang that jury up until Kingdom come..." I'll guarantee you that. I'm probably the kind of juror that most lawyers will want "off" the jury -- depending on what they want to accomplish. I wouldn't listen to judges or lawyers.
Regards,
Star Traveler
That's exactly what I would have done too. Nothing and no one would have made me go against what I thought was right.
WE got his damn attention. And so did Hunter and Tancredo. Bush was content to let this disappear, but the people refused to let it go. If Bush pardons them, he shouldn't expect a thank you, either. He will have been dragged kicking and screaming into doing the right thing.
In this case, having read all of the accounts, and being more than favorably disposed towards the agents to begin with...I have to say that they opened the door for a guilty finding by their own actions to cover up the shooting, and the inconsistancy of their stories in the process.
It is sickening that our government would use an abject criminal to make this point, and to offer him amnesty for his own illegal acts. In any case I believe that too be a travesty...but the agents bear responsibility for making all of that possible.
If they had simply reported it, they would not be in this fix. That they didn't and the way they went about not reporting it and covering it...makes them look far more guilty than they are, and gave the prosecution the opening. IMHO, at the later date, they should have taken the suspended sentence plea bargain I heard they were offered.
If Bush does contact these families...maybe that will set the stage for a presidential pardon at the end of his term.
You said -- "Fact is, when they shot at him, they did not know he had the drugs...they just knew he was illegally fleeing. The one agent, who caught up with the guy, slipped and fell and the alien took off. The alien and the statements of some of the other agents indicate that the offficer was about to hit him with the butt of his shotgun when the agent fell down. The story about the illegal's gun came up later and was not a consistent story either to the prosecution, or to the other agents on the scene."
This border needs to be considered a "war zone" (of national security importance" and not a "police action".
I've got a video (posted here on FR) that shows us viewing some Iraquis in a car and a truck, by the side of the road. They stop (you're seeing it at a distance on an IR camera, and you hear nothing, just see the people there). Two of them on in the picture, obviously chatting. One goes off about 25 yards or so, off the road and drops something that he's carrying and comes back. Then the two talk some more. Then they both walk over to the side of the road. The orders come on the military radio channel (that you hear) "Waste them!" And "boom!" they shoot a bunch of rounds, get one guy, get another. So, two dead. But, another figure (who was not there before, shows up around the side of the truck. The military radio channel says "Waste him!" Boom! He's dead.
You don't see anything that they're "doing" -- except "being there" and talking and someone dropping off something about 25 yards from the side of the road. Three guys dead on the spot. Two vehicle wrecked.
Now, that's the way to handle that border. Not a police action. Nope.
If you're there -- you're dead! That's it.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Alberto Gonzales takes his orders from Mexico City.
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