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LG Prada Phone Looks Like An iPhone Knock-Off, Or Is It Vice Versa?
Information Week ^ | W. David Gardner

Posted on 01/19/2007 11:06:08 AM PST by TC Rider

LG Prada Phone Looks Like An iPhone Knock-Off, Or Is It Vice Versa?

Both phones feature touch screens, use the slow Edge wireless data network, play music and videos, have digital cameras, and can check e-mail and access the Internet.

By W. David Gardner
InformationWeek

Jan 19, 2007 12:46 PM

Barely a week old, Apple's iPhone already has a knock-off -- a slim, buttonless, touch-screen cell phone from LG Electronics and fashion house Prada Group. Or, is the iPhone a knock-off of the LG Prada Phone?

Announced Thursday for delivery in Europe next month, the $780 Prada Phone features touch-screen technology that is similar to the $500 iPhone, which is scheduled for delivery in the U.S. in June.

The two phones have other things in common: both operate on the slow Edge wireless data network, both play music and videos, both have digital cameras, and users of both can check e-mail and access the Internet. The iPhone will have Wi-Fi capability, which the Prada Phone lacks.

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To: sanchmo

No kidding - in early December, I bought a Cingular 8525 which is about $150 cheaper and plays video, music, has a hi-speed internet connection, connects me to email, and also has a camera and a phone. I can put in a 1-GB card that gives me god knows how much room for "iPod" capability. I'm trying to figure out what's so special about the "iPhone" other than I would get to give Steve Jobs more money.


41 posted on 01/19/2007 4:30:16 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (I wouldn't believe liberals if their tongues came notarized!)
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To: XeniaSt
I Can't speak for DARPA, but looking at the Common Criteria's web site, HP-UX, Solaris, AIX, RHAS 4, SLES 9, and even Win2003 have been certified to EAL4 plus some level of additional protection profiles.

BSD has not. That is not to say it does not have similar capabilities, but it has not been certified under the Common Criteria.

As far as ultra secure "Trusted" OSs (formerly "B1" now Common Criteria EAL4 + CAPP + RBAC + LSPP), only the big UNIXs are so certified, usually with add-ons like PitBull. I know there was a NSA effort to produce a trusted Linux (SELinux), and I think it was certified under the old Orange Book (BSD may have been certified there as well), but I can't find an RBAC/LSPP Linux on Common Critera.

Regarding super secure OSs, the old Compartmentalized Workstation project of the 1980s produced a B1 level of SunOS 4.X (which was BSD based), and I think it also led to the B1 levels of the BSD-based versions of SGI IRIX 5.X and IBM AIX 3.X. Later, the SVR4 Trusted Solaris 2.5 was certified to B1, as were SVR4 Trusted IRIX 6.X and SVR4 AIX 4.3.

For those unfamilar, "Trusted", or "B1", or LSPP allows a single computer to run multiple security levels. For example, both Secret and Top Secret data could be processed on, and both Secret and Top Secret networks could be connected to, the same computer, at the same time. It is a pretty slick concept, but it is hell to implement.

In the real Internet security world, tools like Novell's AppArmor, SWsoft Virtuozzo, Solaris Zones, HP-UX Secure Resource Compartments, and AIX Corrals are pretty useful for providing network level security by limiting the privileges of a hacker to only the compartment they hack into, if they make it thorough the rest of the network defenses. These concept of separate namespaces evolved from the earlier work in the trusted computing world.

These compartmentalization technologies also allow the easy creation of honeypots within the instance of the OS.

42 posted on 01/19/2007 6:25:18 PM PST by magellan
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To: XeniaSt
The Lisa was first introduced in January 1983 (announced on January 19) at a cost of $9,995 US ($20,600 in Nov. 2006 dollars).

One would be hardpressed to call $20,000 computer a personal computer.

Give me a break. Do you have any other hairs you want to split?

Besides, Apple was the one that called it a personal computer, and it certainly wasn't a workgroup system. I'll grant you that like so many other Apple products it was overpriced.

43 posted on 01/20/2007 2:03:24 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Incorrigible
Not so. Xerox later sued Apple but by then it was too little too late.

Is so.

yes, Xerox, under a new CEO who was unaware of what had actually transpired years before his tenure, did indeed sue and lost when Apple provided the court with the documentary evidence of the $7 million dollars in Apple Computer Inc. Preferred Stock granted to Xerox in exchange for the privilege of having two 8 hour visits at PARC AND using what they learned there.

44 posted on 01/22/2007 8:42:12 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: TC Rider
No confusion at all, it was Apple that visited the PARC lab on that fateful day.

Apple and Parc

Bruce Horn's Statement on the source of the Mac user interface.

Jeff Raskin's Commentary on the creation of the Mac interface.

Horn's response to Raskin.

When asked about Apple's "theft" of the Parc ideas, Steve Wozniak stated:

"Steve Jobs made the case to Xerox PARC execs directly that they had great technology but that Apple knew how to make it affordable enough to change the world. This was very open. In the end, Xerox got a large block of Apple stock for sharing the technology. That's not stealing outright.

"Apple didn't get any stock from Microsoft. Nor was Apple dealt with openly in this area by Microsoft. "
- Source Woz.org

Your characterization of the Parc visit as "lifting" the GUI is untrue.

45 posted on 01/22/2007 9:24:52 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Incorrigible; TC Rider
From the Motley Fool:

. . . "Similarly, Xerox PARC invented modern desktop computing. Windows, icons, mice, pulldown menus, "What You See Is What You Get" (WYSIWYG) printing, networked workstations, object-oriented programming -- the works. Xerox the copier company feared the paperless office and formed a think tank to invent it before anybody else could, but once its commandos had succeeded, it simply couldn't bring itself to disrupt its core business of making copiers.

"Xerox could have owned the PC revolution, but instead it sat on the technology for years. Then, in exchange for the opportunity to invest in a hot new pre-IPO start-up called "Apple," the Xerox PARC commandos were forced -- under protest -- to give Apple's engineers a tour and a demonstration of their work. The result was the Apple Macintosh, which Microsoft later copied to create Windows.

"On the other hand, Xerox did put a windowing interface on a little display on the side of some of its copiers.". . . - Rob Landley

The actual fact, is that Xerox's "investment" in Apple was not cash but rather what Jobs and his engineers learned at their two 1979 meetings at PARC and the inspiration they received that later resulted in the Lisa and the Macintosh. Unfortunately, Xerox's management again was short sighted and sold the Preferred Stock they received a little over a year later... for a nice profit... after Apple's IPO.

46 posted on 01/22/2007 9:49:10 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Incorrigible; TC Rider
Incidentally, the technical end of the Xerox v. Apple suit came about because the statute of limitations had long since expired. The Apple Lisa was released in 1983 and the Macintosh in 1984 but Xerox did not bring suit until 1989, ten years after the infamous visit, and five years after they should have known they were "injured" by copyright infringement... and two years after the three year Statute of Limitations had expired.

The Judge recognized Apple's position that they had indeed entered into a contract with Xerox for the visits but dismissed the suit with prejudice on the statute of limitations grounds instead of hearing arguments on the contract from Xerox.

47 posted on 01/22/2007 9:59:16 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

You're the only one using the words 'theft', and 'stealing'

Thou dost complain too much.

How would you characterize the illegal use of long distance services that Jobs and Woz were notorious for abusing, back in the Captain Crunch days?


48 posted on 01/23/2007 7:04:29 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Swordmaker

First time I'm hearing about the Preferred Shares but it's a certainty that Xerox had it's collective head in the sand in those days.

BTW, I think I found a soulmate of yours on YouTube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsqi2QHXaFI


49 posted on 01/23/2007 8:24:17 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: TC Rider
You're the only one using the words 'theft', and 'stealing'

"Lifting" is slang for stealing.

How would you characterize the illegal use of long distance services that Jobs and Woz were notorious for abusing, back in the Captain Crunch days?

Theft of services. Stealing.

50 posted on 01/23/2007 9:22:13 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Incorrigible
BTW, I think I found a soulmate of yours on YouTube!

Good one... funny.

I found a report that says that Xerox sold its Apple Preferred Stock for $18 million in 1980. Don't know how accurate that is because it also said the original value was only $1 million and I have seen other credible reports that it was $7.5 million.

51 posted on 01/23/2007 12:04:00 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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