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CA: Governor receptive to no-spanking bill (They ain't YOUR kids, yaknow! All Hail the Nanny State!)
Mercury News ^ | 1/19/07 | Kate Folmar and Mike Zapler

Posted on 01/19/2007 10:02:38 AM PST by NormsRevenge

SACRAMENTO - Growing up in Austria, Arnold Schwarzenegger said he ``got smacked about everything.'' But when it comes to disciplining his four children, Schwarzenegger said he and his wife ``never'' resort to spanking.

As governor, Schwarzenegger on Thursday expressed an open mind to a controversial proposal that would ban parents from spanking a child under the age of 3.

He hinted that he has concerns about how the bill could be enforced -- ``Is it that when you see someone spank a kid, you go and say, `Can I see the birth certificate of the kid?' '' But he didn't smack down the idea either, saying he understands the desire to ``get rid of the physical, the brutal behavior that some parents have.''

The proposal, from Assemblywoman Sally Lieber of Mountain View, has stirred considerable controversy since the Mercury News first publicized it in Thursday's paper. In an online forum, Mercury News reader sentiment was overwhelmingly against such a bill.

It's ``nanny-politics,'' one reader said. ``Fine,'' opined a reader calling himself ``Big Poppa,'' ``then a bill should be passed to allow other parents to smack the parents of undisciplined children.'' Others took personal swipes at Lieber, who is married and has a cat named Snoop, but no children.

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Schwarzenegger described a childhood in Austria where cultural mores were very different than in current day America.

``I grew up, I got smacked about everything. That was the way Austria worked. You know, I think it maybe had something to do with after the war. People were maybe more angry and more frustrated, you know, having lost the war or whatever else. So there was a lot of other things, a lot of drinking when I grew up.''

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: austria; california; nannystate; nospanking; receptive; sallylieber; schwarzenegger
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Maybe he can create a commission and have them study the issue.
1 posted on 01/19/2007 10:02:40 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

I wish Arnold would go ahead and change parties so the dims will quit holding him up as an example of a "reasonable" Republican.


2 posted on 01/19/2007 10:05:19 AM PST by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: NormsRevenge

This just means the abusive parents will switch to the more lethal measures, like baby shaking (which causes brain hemorrhages) or dislocating the shoulder joint by yanking the kid up in the air by the arm, et cetera.


3 posted on 01/19/2007 10:06:15 AM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: NormsRevenge

Schwartz is showing his true colors - those of the leftist brigade.


4 posted on 01/19/2007 10:06:34 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: NormsRevenge

A total lack of discipline is so very LIBERAL. When I was a child, we never had all the ADD and massive behavior problems that are now treated with DRUGS and are present everywhere -- instead of discipline. Thank you runaway LIBERALISM.

Now the liberals are making it worse -- they are trying to prevent you from disciplining YOUR child. Hello rampant SOCIALISM and government control of your life....


5 posted on 01/19/2007 10:07:13 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: NormsRevenge
"When paddles are outlawed, only outlaws will have paddles."

Honestly, can the end be far away?

6 posted on 01/19/2007 10:07:48 AM PST by Pablo64 (Ask me about my alpacas!)
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To: NormsRevenge

"Schpanky, schpanky."

7 posted on 01/19/2007 10:09:15 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: NormsRevenge

"Assemblywoman Sally Lieber of Mountain View"

Since women have entered politics, is America a better place?


8 posted on 01/19/2007 10:09:32 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: NormsRevenge

We spanked our kids but had restrictions. Spankings were for incidents that could cause someone to get hurt or could cause property damaage. So it covered running into the street and playing with matches or throwing rocks. You get the idea. Doesn't seem to have left any scars on their tender little psyches. And in their mid-20's there are no therapist bills, either!


9 posted on 01/19/2007 10:11:32 AM PST by trimom
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To: NormsRevenge
But he didn't smack down the idea either, saying he understands the desire to "get rid of the physical, the brutal behavior that some parents have."

Is it a safe assumption that California already has laws against brutal behavior by parents?

It's my understanding that this legislation goes far beyond that.

10 posted on 01/19/2007 10:12:02 AM PST by HoosierHawk
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To: NormsRevenge

I'm sitting here trying to honestly recall if I ever hit any of my children when they were 3 or younger.

I don't think I ever did.

The first nasty spanking I can recall giving my eldest is when she tried to run into the street. If she wasn't within my arms reach, she may have been dead (a car was coming). She was 4 years old.

I remember, my middle child was 3 when he got his first spanking. He carried his baby brother up the stairs and dropped him.

How can a state decide what constitutes a spanking? This is insane. There are severe actions that require an immediate, memorably instilled punishment.

I'm a big time out user. But that is on stuff that takes time to redirect. But carrying off a baby, running into the street, grabbing the stove or something, there is no time for negotiations.


11 posted on 01/19/2007 10:12:38 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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"Schwartz is showing his true colors - those of the leftist brigade."

He married a Kennedy, how COULD he be a conservative?


12 posted on 01/19/2007 10:13:19 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: trimom

bump


13 posted on 01/19/2007 10:13:52 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: edcoil

I heard that she has no kids of her own - therefore she wants to legislate about everyone else's. Kalifornia is a nannystate gone mad - how will we afford to build enough prisons for all the new parent convicts?


14 posted on 01/19/2007 10:14:09 AM PST by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: NormsRevenge

Let's kill two, maybe more, birds with one stone:
Cameras in every house. They will record spankings, smoking, fat-consumption, and other such obscenities.
It's for the children.


15 posted on 01/19/2007 10:14:21 AM PST by Swordfished
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To: NormsRevenge
Maybe the problem is that "kindergarten cop's" father didn't smack him enough. Now he wants to be "parent cop." Perhaps somebody should tell him Rob Reiner's already taken the job.
16 posted on 01/19/2007 10:15:06 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Gabz

nanny state


17 posted on 01/19/2007 10:15:31 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: edcoil

Since women have entered politics, is America a better place?


No, but we're not allowed to say so.


18 posted on 01/19/2007 10:18:14 AM PST by freedomfiter2 ("Modern, bureaucratic, unionized education is a form of intellectual child abuse." Newt Gingrich)
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To: NormsRevenge
Don't you just love it? The State takes away the discipline measures of parents, but make no mistake, it is the parents who are financially responsible for the child UNTIL 21!

Meanwhile the child knows he/she can call the police on the parent and that after 18 they have no obligation to authority save that which catches up with them legally.

19 posted on 01/19/2007 10:19:21 AM PST by chit*chat
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To: NormsRevenge

Gotta love this guy's statement in the article:

"``then a bill should be passed to allow other parents to smack the parents of undisciplined children.'' "

:=)


20 posted on 01/19/2007 10:26:01 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Celebrate Monocacy!)
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