Posted on 01/18/2007 3:22:55 PM PST by pissant
Islamabad: A tribal leader in South Waziristan area near the Afghan border has threatened retaliation following an attack by Pakistan Army gunship helicopters at a suspected militant training complex in the region.
The threat came as security forces were continuing a search in the area for several injured militants who included a senior Al Qaida operative, an Arab named Abu Nasir. These militants managed to flee after the raid.
Tribal leader Bailullah Masud made the threat yesterday in a statement to BBC Urdu service, which quoted him as saying: "We will take revenge action in 10 to 15 days."
He said the tribes in South Waziristan wanted to maintain the peace agreement that the government had concluded with them in 2005 but its fate would depend on the conduct of the army.
The raid early on Tuesday targeted a complex of five compounds where according to a military statement up to 30 militants were present and that most were killed. However, security officials said eight bodies had been recovered from the debris so far.
Addressing a meeting of Corps Commanders on the day of the army action, President General Pervez Musharraf warned that any hideout of terrorists or miscreants in any Pakistani area would be "knocked out" by military action.
Porous border
The South Waziristan operation came against a backdrop of US pressure on Pakistan to take more effective steps to purge its tribal territory along the porous border of terrorist elements and allies of Taliban insurgents operating inside Afghanistan.
The timing of the attack, coinciding with a visit by US Defence Secretary Robert Gates to Afghanistan, raised speculation Pakistan was seeking to deflect US criticism that it was not doing enough to curb Taliban operating from its territory.
Last week US National Intelligence Director John Negroponte told the American Senate that terrorist leaders were operating from hideouts on Pakistani territory. Pakistan angrily denied the charge, pointing out that it has done more than any other country in the war against terrorism.
The government, in an effort to stop a wider conflict engulfing the tribal lands, signed a peace deal with the militants in South Waziristan in February, 2005, and another with tribal elders in North Waziristan in September last year.
Sanctuaries
Critics say the pacts risked creating sanctuaries for the militants, and US officials say there has been a huge increase in the number of cross-border attacks since the accords were signed.
The militants set up a parallel administration in South Waziristan since the treaty, and tribesmen said that they are actively recruiting men and boys to fight in Afghanistan or to become suicide bombers.
It's been a bad year for the jihadi vermin.
It's been a bad year for the jihadi vermin.Not entirely. They did get Pelosi and Reid working for them, and Biden's rolling up his sleeves to pitch in and give them an assist wherever he can. But yeah, everywhere outside of US politics, the vermin aren't doing so well. But then, we always knew that vermin thrive in a certain verminesque US political party.
ooga booga
Very true. Osama could not ask for better allies than the US Democrat Party.
Good one. Although some of the tribal leaders in Iraq are serving up jihadis on a plate to the US Marines.
Good news that the Paks are getting back into it. The Taliban have been getting their butts kicked for the last year but you'ld never know it from the enemedia. It must pain them to write pieces like this.
Oh they didn't. It came from the Gulf News. The US MSM is way to pro terrorist to write such a piece.
Good point, you're right. I'm going to check out the MSM this evening to see if any of them report this.
Here's what I don't get. Pakistan has nukes. Why don't they just nuke their western border? Who would care?
Fallout. Both political and atmospheric.
Soon, those who hurled insults at those of us who kept warning of the Vietnman style betrayal by Congress -- will themselves begin to see the Democrat's forming their familiar and traitorous attempt to ensure defeat...
Those who refuse to study history and learn from it -- are doomed to repeat it.....
Isn't that how the saying goes?
Fight like WWII -- end like WWII.
Fight like Vietnam --- end like Vietnam..
One of the early signs of insanity - it to repeat an action and expect a different result..
Semper Fi
The terrorists are on the losing end big time. In afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere.
Permit me to put things into an cynical old man's perspective....who has "been there, seen that and done this before" ---- a long time ago.
We are NOT killing the Jihadists/Thugs in numbers large enough to DEFEAT THEM - with "them" being Militant Islamists.
We were killing a MUCH larger percentage of the enemy forces - VC & NVA in Vietnam than we are killing in the middle east.
The cost per enemy corpse in the middle east is staggering... At the current enemy KIA:Cost ratio, there isn't enough money in the world to destroy enough to defeat them.
We are NOT destroying the enemy nation's infrastructure, means of production or wealth accumulation -- as we did to some degree in North Vietnam..
Iran, Syria and to a more complicated scenario - Pakistan have been literally untouched.
The U.S. Congress in again in the hands of the Democrats, the SAME party that led the charge to abandon Vietnam.
They are ALREADY "proudly" making the same noises again -- emboldening the enemy and preparing to award an unearned victory to our enemy.
With the bleating Democrats and surrender monkeys wailing on TV --- it will encourage the enemy to make a few more strikes on America to panic the pansies in congress and "finish us off"...
The ONLY potentially good result from that scenario - is that Leftists/Liberals/Naive assholes will also die in the next terrorist attacks on America...
I can't imagine how many Leftists/Liberal/Democrats deaths it will take to frighten them into fighting....
We must acknowledge that war has been declared against us and is being waged against us - with no holds barred. In response - we need to fight this war from our strongest advantage points -- also, with NO HOLDS BARRED and no sanctuary, no safe cities, no supporter of the enemy spared the consequences of that support..
If the Islamic Republics and the wombs that deliver these Jihadist bastards into the world, can't constrain them -- then we should strike at their homes and breeding grounds until the message is understood.....
Until then -- we are expending blood and treasure on a fool's errand ---- and will surely lose.
Semper Fi
The parallels to Vietnam are only apt because, as you stated, the leftist bitches in this country are actively working to embolden our enemies and undercut our military.
But that is where the similarity ends. The bottom line is this regarding the WOT: we need the muslims to do their part to reign in the jihadis. Wholesale destruction of Mecca or Islamabad or Khartoum will turn the entire muslim world against us so we'd have to destroy them all...which we could do, but there are a billion of them and we'd be doing it alone.
This is a different kind of war, mainly against entities that claim no one home. They are spread throughout the muslim world in cells and small groups, mainly. There are exceptions: Iran and Syria should be dealt with directly, and I believe we will end up doing just that. The Hezzies in Lebanon are a state within a state and will need to be destroyed. And it looks like a new Lebanese civil war may be brewing as we speak.
But Jordan, Morrocco, Tunisia, Quatar, Kuwait, the UAE amongst other muslim countries have been not only killing off their homegrown jihadis but have been actively helping the US with intelligence and other aid to win this thing. Even Pakistan, perhaps the home of more jihadis per capita than any place on earth, has done some serious heavy lifting to hunt down these animals. Pak provided Britain with the intelligence to help bust the planned airline bombers, they captured Khalid Shiek Mohammed and numerous other bigs for the US, they have (sporadically, yet recently) been battling the AQ and taliban in their own borders, and they helped bust the clandestine nuclear ring. The soldiers volunteering in Iraq and Afghanistan are numerous and are being trained by us to be far better warriors than the militias and terrorists, and have really started to prove themselves. The Afghan and Iraq people and tribal leaders have been responsible for leading us to terrorists and weapons caches too numerous to keep track of.
In Afghanistan, despite the NY Times insurgent cheerleading, the "resurgent" Taliban have been getting literally slaughtered by US and NATO and Afghan forces. In Iraq, we've given the al-maliki gov't too much say on who we should be targeting the last 9 months, but that apparently, after much arm twisting, has ended.
Jihadis from around the world have made their way to Afg. & Iraq to take on the great satan, but are finding that its a sure way to die. The flypaper stategy is working. And all we have to do is continue to snuff them until the said gov't forces are capable of doing that on their own. In Afhganistan, we are probably 5 years away from that point. In iraq, maybe two years.
In the mean time, the gloves are off and the isnurgents have no chance of 'victory', and you and I and millions of other patriotic US citizens must confront the other enemy - the media and the democrats.
Many of the VERY SAME Democrats/Leftists/Peace at any cost assholes, were mouthing the same bullshit mantra our congress critters are today repeating in front of any TV camera within miles..
The fight against our foreign enemy could be successful, if we could first silence the more deadly enemy within..
Semper Fi
Amen, sir!
I will admit that option is still on my table.
If the bastards don't come to their senses and choose life over death.. we should by all means KILL THEM before they succeed in killing us.
However - I doubt we'd have to "kill em all" --- so long as we absolutely convinced them we were willing, able and so predisposed..
We didn't have to kill every German, Italian, Vichy Frenchman to defeat Nazism or Fascism, we didn't have to kill every Japanese to defeat them..
But we DID have to kill enough of them and destroy enough of their homeland to convince them or our DETERMINATION to destroy them.
To date: I haven't seen us show the level of determination to go beyond sacrificing our warrior's blood and our treasure in attempting to fight a war without "alienating" the enemy"..
Now, how insane in that?
Granted - there is ample evidence that the Islamist is perhaps more backward, brainwashed or unsophisticated than our earlier enemies, and we may be forced to kill many more of them and destroy more of their "icons" as necessary to convince them they have been following an ineffective and false "god" and "ideology"....
Again -- I'm getting more and more comfortable with this horrible option......because it's more attractive than the option of losing.
I have grandchildren -- and don't want to leave the bastards lurking in the dark in wait for them, after I've gone to join the rest of my brothers.
I'd like to finish this campaign in my lifetime.....and there is not that much time left.
Semper Fi
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