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Reflections on an Encounter with a Dying Elderly Woman
1/18/07 | 60Gunner

Posted on 01/18/2007 2:21:14 PM PST by 60Gunner

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To: lonestar
Lonestar, you have my admiration and respect, as do all who devote themselves to caring for their parents. What an awesome gift we can give to those who have given so much for us!

Please note that I realize that not everyone's parents were ideal. I know mine made mistakes. But for all their flaws, they really did okay, IMO. But if the situation allows, it's a great thing we can do for them.

41 posted on 01/19/2007 4:59:52 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: palmer

You are on. Thanks!


42 posted on 01/19/2007 5:01:25 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: 60Gunner
I love your posts. Please put me on your ping list.

Now I'm going to finish reading this story.

43 posted on 01/19/2007 5:02:46 AM PST by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: proud American in Canada

You are on the list. Thanks for your encouragement!


44 posted on 01/19/2007 5:06:33 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: 60Gunner

This could so easily happen to my dad (knock on wood). It's why my sister moved him up to Wisconsin, near her... his caregiver was never around and was ripping him off (he lived in a Chicago suburb).

Thank you for this post.


45 posted on 01/19/2007 5:08:22 AM PST by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: proud American in Canada

You are most welcome. Thank you for sharing your story!


46 posted on 01/19/2007 5:09:12 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: 60Gunner
It sounds like you think she should and shouldn't be in a nursing home. Things happen, the daughter was just with her that week. Maybe the daughter should've called, maybe the neighbors should've been more friendly, a bunch of maybes. A very sad story but your indictment of the people in this case my be a little over the top.
47 posted on 01/19/2007 5:12:43 AM PST by stevio (God, Guns, and Guts made America. A politician against any of the 3 doesn't get my vote. (NRA))
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To: Petruchio
To quote Principle Skinner from The Simpsons; "I don't live with my Mother, she lives with me!" Family looks out for family, our society sometimes places independence at the cost of commitment. God bless you for doing what's right.
48 posted on 01/19/2007 5:17:24 AM PST by stevio (God, Guns, and Guts made America. A politician against any of the 3 doesn't get my vote. (NRA))
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To: stevio
Well, my intent was not to indict the family of the patient. They had no way of knowing she went down- remember, she was usually quite independent. And her family felt absolutely awful when they learned what happened. My indictment is that we as a society have lost that sense of community that we used to have. And even at that, I suppose that it isn't so much of an indictment as a lament.

As far as placement in a nursing home is concerned, I don't know that it would have been to her benefit, considering how independent she was. Either way, that's a very difficult choice to make.

49 posted on 01/19/2007 5:19:38 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: 60Gunner

Your posts really contribute to FR. :)

Did this lady die?

Anyway.... on the topic of independence. Our dad was a lawyer but everything changed when he got bacterial meningitis. That week, I flew out to Chicago on an emergency when the nurse told me, "Your father is blue." We thought he would die. Instead, he was in basically a coma for a few weeks.

In any case... the oxygen deprivation to his brain left him a very different person. And now, he's deteriorating.

It's very sad. The other day, I mentioned to my sister, "Dad doesn't call me anymore" (he used to call me every day, and I would call him). So she said, "Dad, call Julie", and he said, "Julie who?"

Anyway... I call but when he doesn't answer I don't know if it's b/c he can't hear the phone or if he's slipped and fallen. He doesn't want to go into a home (though we're working on it), and doctors have said he's not technically incompetent so we can't make him do it. Anyway, if we were to apply for guardianship, it would devastate him. He's still a lawyer and he knows what that means. He still communicates with his lawyer friends (or, they communicate with him, I should say). He just watches t.v.--Matlock. :)

Anyway... this was a long-winded reply, but you may have saved a life by posting this story about the elderly woman. You never know! :)


50 posted on 01/19/2007 5:21:25 AM PST by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: Kay Ludlow; 60Gunner; All
My Mother has trouble getting around, but is dang ornery about being independent

So is my father--pls see the previous post. I have to get to work shortly... but I think 60Gunner's post is food for thought on how society treats people after they're no longer productive citizens. In some cultures, the elderly are revered for their wisdom and live with their families. We tend to move them away somewhere where we don't have to deal with / see aging and death.

And I'm not trying to be critical. My dad visited for a week and it was very hard, for tons of reasons, particularly emotional ones. I'm not sure I could take it if he lived with us. In today's world there are so many pressures, and caring for aging parents on top of kids... it's overwhelming. I know it's been very hard for my sister (she lives closer to my dad and has born the brunt of all this). (Okay I'm rambling... I need some coffee, LOL)

51 posted on 01/19/2007 5:34:09 AM PST by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: 60Gunner
My very elderly FIL in CT. pays $50 a MONTH for the life alert necklace..so most people on a limited fixed income can't afford it.

He lives alone, doesn't drive anymore but has a housekeeper and meals on wheels for supplements.

Truth is, there are various Senior Citizen housing options available, that he is too stubborn to take advantage of. He wouldn't be as lonely with friends his own age to socialize with.

Assisted living apartments offer the Senior Citizen a chance to be checked on daily, interact with people and live independently. Services such as hot meals and transportation are usually offered as an alternative if desired.

The problem is convincing a parent to move from the old house.

sw

52 posted on 01/19/2007 5:37:28 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: 60Gunner
My Mother is an 82 yr old, 20+ year breast cancer survivor. She's quite independent, polkas 2 nights a week and exercises 5 days a week, along with watching our 4 kids. Not only that, she is has a beautiful spirit. I thank God nearly everyday for her but understand time marches on.

Being an EMS, you see the absolute worse outcome of possible neglect situations. You don't necessarily see all the situations that are averted every day by caring people. You're doing a job not many people can do, thank you and God bless you for that.

53 posted on 01/19/2007 5:37:40 AM PST by stevio (God, Guns, and Guts made America. A politician against any of the 3 doesn't get my vote. (NRA))
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To: stevio; 60Gunner
You're doing a job not many people can do, thank you and God bless you for that.

Megadittos!

Thanks for posting, Gunner.

54 posted on 01/19/2007 6:00:55 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: 60Gunner
There has never been a perfect parent but most put more effort into it than their kids put into being good kids.

I had friends who wound up in "family therapy" because a son was on drugs. After a few sessions of hearing what a horrible parent he had been the father said, "I haven't been a perfect father but I've put more effort into it than you have put into being a good son, so don't call me again until you don't want something."

Another father I knew said that when his kids were growing up and he was putting in 16 to 20 hour work days, all his kids thought about was what kind of high dollar cars they wanted. After they were grown they griped about how he was never there when they were growing up -- but didn't care where he was when they were growing up.

Oh! the trials and tribulations of being parent and/or child. LOL!

I was lucky when it came to parents but I didn't appreciate how good they were until I was grown. I guess that's "normal."

55 posted on 01/19/2007 7:22:10 AM PST by lonestar (Me, too--Weinie)
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To: Xenalyte; null and void
That is one great tagline

Hi, folks. I've been embarking on a quest of becoming spiritually-fit. I've been into a book called The Power of Now. I highly recommend it. It has encouraged me to love without judgment; to not get into my egoic mind, where pain lives; and to stay out of the future (where there is anxiety) and the past (where there is remorse). I try to stay only in the timeless Now, where there is Joy.

A question to ask yourself is this: "What, this very moment, is lacking?"

I've had people criticize me here and elsewhere for this new path I am on, and that's okay. 1st, their opinion is none of my business. 2nd, their comments show their own level of spiritual fitness. And 3rd, I don't really get to judge where they are, because they are Perfect Expressions of G-d and are just where they are supposed to be.

56 posted on 01/19/2007 7:25:13 AM PST by Lazamataz (You are not your mind. You are not your emotions. You are not your pain. All you are is love.)
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To: Lazamataz

Ah. Good for you!


57 posted on 01/19/2007 8:27:24 AM PST by null and void (Propaganda doesn't have to make sense. Hell, it often works better if it doesn't.)
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To: Lazamataz

I was wondering where you went. Your posts surely reflect a change. Don't worry, Be Happy.


58 posted on 01/19/2007 8:43:30 AM PST by proud2beconservativeinNJ ("In God We Trust")
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To: proud2beconservativeinNJ
Your posts surely reflect a change....

I thank you. Everything looks differently to me.

Everything.

59 posted on 01/19/2007 9:00:53 AM PST by Lazamataz (You are not your mind. You are not your emotions. You are not your pain. All you are is love.)
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To: Lazamataz
"I will make it a point to keep track of one elderly, alone person."

I tried to do just that, but Brigette Bardot's attorneys slapped me with a Cease and Desist.....

60 posted on 01/19/2007 9:06:45 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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