The defeatists gave us the loss in Vietnam. We lost the war in the street and in the press. And now Vietnam is a communist dictatorship which persecutes the ethnic Chinese and commits all kinds of atrocities. I hope the liberty loving libs are happy about their "paradise". Convervaties have no excuse - unless, of course, they are ISOLATIONISTS in the Joseph Kennedy/Charles Lindbergh mode (Pat Buchanan fits that description).