[joesbucks]

My concerns about the lack of WMD was prior to the invasion. But I don't want to focus on that, because as you state, it turns this into trying to defend ones political affiliation vs the facts of as they unfolded.

What I can point to is the President has now admitted his "Bring them on" statement was not helpful, despite many from this forum being extremely critical of anyone who was concerned about that comment. From that point forward, it seems that much of the execution of the WOT has been fraught with miscalculations, error and poorly perceived outcomes. Yet anyone who suggested otherwise was labeled a democrat, liberal or any other of a 1000 derogatory names.

Virtually no one has suggested that there have been noaccomplishments in Iraq. But anyone looking at the key outcomes would have to admit to date it has been anywhere close to where anyone expected, here or in the administration. Until the President admitted this the other day, there was a chorus of those who jumped on anyone who suggested otherwise using the name calling and other technics to dispirit and discredit. Instead of saying some of us were right, we hit with the President is man enough to admit mistakes took place. Where was he during the Bring them on debates?

[Txsleuth]

I personally wish he wouldn't admit to "mistakes" like he does for the MSM...not the dumb ones like apologizing for the "Bring em on" phrase...

It makes him look like he is capitulating to the stupid MSM and dems that are critical of his "demeanor" or his "words"...which is so not constructive at this time.

We need to get away from the "war in Iraq" nomenclature and start calling this the war FOR America...because that is what this is...to KEEP our country.

Our enemies want to take our country away from us..and dwelling on the past, or minutiae right now is counterproductive to keeping the focus on our national security.

[prairiebreeze]

What I can point to is the President has now admitted his "Bring them on" statement was not helpful, despite many from this forum being extremely critical of anyone who was concerned about that comment. From that point forward, it seems that much of the execution of the WOT has been fraught with miscalculations, error and poorly perceived outcomes.

As in ANY AND EVERY war that America has been engaged in. Miscalculations, error....are all part of any war. If you mean poor media management by your phrase "poorly perceived outcomes", I'll agree with you to an extent on that.

So since the President went on TV and took responsibilty as CiC for any mistakes or miscalculations, wouldn't you say he would also have been within his right to claim glory for the successes in Iraq? It cuts both ways you know.

As far as the Bring it On statement....so what? How is that statement continueing to be relevant to today or in the conducting of the WOT in general? Bush was a young president who'd got through hell with not only the 2000 election but also obstruction from the stinkin' RATS every way from Sunday to nearly all his initial cabinet member confirmations....to 9/11.

Referring to Bring it On at his point seems....irrelevant to any context that faces our situation today. I do recall that you are a consistent Bush critic though.