[prairiebreeze]

What I can point to is the President has now admitted his "Bring them on" statement was not helpful, despite many from this forum being extremely critical of anyone who was concerned about that comment. From that point forward, it seems that much of the execution of the WOT has been fraught with miscalculations, error and poorly perceived outcomes.

As in ANY AND EVERY war that America has been engaged in. Miscalculations, error....are all part of any war. If you mean poor media management by your phrase "poorly perceived outcomes", I'll agree with you to an extent on that.

So since the President went on TV and took responsibilty as CiC for any mistakes or miscalculations, wouldn't you say he would also have been within his right to claim glory for the successes in Iraq? It cuts both ways you know.

As far as the Bring it On statement....so what? How is that statement continueing to be relevant to today or in the conducting of the WOT in general? Bush was a young president who'd got through hell with not only the 2000 election but also obstruction from the stinkin' RATS every way from Sunday to nearly all his initial cabinet member confirmations....to 9/11.

Referring to Bring it On at his point seems....irrelevant to any context that faces our situation today. I do recall that you are a consistent Bush critic though.

[joesbucks]

My point has been the things the President has admitted to were things that I and many others were trashed and grated over the coals over. We were told they were not true, that we didn't support the President, while in turn not supporting the troops and on and on and on and on.

Well if they weren't true, then why did the CiC admit they were?

As far as the Bring it On statement....so what? How is that statement continueing to be relevant to today or in the conducting of the WOT in general? Bush was a young president who'd got through hell with not only the 2000 election but also obstruction from the stinkin' RATS every way from Sunday to nearly all his initial cabinet member confirmations....to 9/11.

The President has admitted this statement did not help the situation. That's why it's important. Instead of making the enemy tremble in fear, it gave them a focal phrase to energize them.

Of course at first, we were then admonished that that was good, because it was bringing out those who needed to be destroyed any how. Now it appears that it had nearly cost us and the new Iraqi government civil control of many key areas. But the new position is the CiC has been brave enough to own up to his mistakes.

I guess my question is why the sudden turn of heart? The facts were the facts 6 months ago, 1 year ago or 2 years ago.