Weather Channel Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics

United States Senate ^ | 1/17/07 | Marc Morano

[Merta]

You are indeed talking about the "reality based community" who sees Conservatives as flat Earthers right?

It reminds me when the Scientific community were having a reward in stock for someone to find longitude, they didn't give it to John Harrison(was his name I think) because they felt like he was a small clock-maker.


And Liberals complain about Conservatives as being strict and rigid, this and the new Grassroots redefinition really make me think why they become such first amendment purists.

Of course nobody bothered to mention that Environmentalism is a religion, in the sense that it explains how the world works to men, and not only an ancient one but one that involved ritual sacrifices to please the Gods, I wonder if they will throw very Conservative Christians, and orthodox rabbis in the well if another epidemic comes around to us, like the bird flu might come.


After all, they could say that some of them defy orthodoxy, and afterall it is good for many of those kinds of people to kill Jews, especially orthodox ones.

I've also got a question, who freed the slaves evangelical Christians or Global Warming obsessionists? In fact, was FDR besides planting trees, an Environmentalist? No, the planting trees rather was to give people jobs.

Also, Al Gore if you are listening did SUV Bulldozers create the Dust Bowl? I want to know about the most well-known climate disaster of the 20th Century.

Sorry, this is Mer ranting again.

[Pontiac]

the Democrats in Congress are busy doing away with conservative talk radio so it will be a little while before they get around to decertifying all the scientists that don't mimic the party line.

Oh I bet they can do both at the same time. After all Nancy is a great multi-tasker.

[Old Professer]

Mace and massage.

[Leftism is Mentally Deranged]

No surprise. Just typical leftist mind-control and harassing people and taking away their livlihood when they violate the dogmas of PC.

[Steve Van Doorn]

”How does one reason with a liberal?”

Start all communication with a liberal by saying, “I agree with you, …”
Only then will they listen. I am serious about this.

[RatsDawg]

I remember being a young boy of probably 9 or 10 back in the early 90's and this had to be 92 or 93, and I remember I was watching a network news report with my Great-Grandma (who was in her late 80s at the time), anways...the news report said something about how scientist predicted that in 12 years from then that the sun would be soo hot that people would have to stay inside, and couldn't expose themselves to the sun.

When I heard this it scared the crap out of me and I asked my Grandma if that was true, and she said that it was not true and that the tv News can't always be trusted, and they will just say things to scare people. Well its been more than 12 years and we are still alive so Grandmas was right.

My grandma was a huge Rush Limbaugh fan back then too, she would listen to him everyday when she picked me up from grade school, of course back then I didn't know who Rush was or what he was talking about, I thought he was just an angry guy on the radio back then who used to be mad about everything. Later just in the last 5 years or so when I became more politically aware and started listening to Talk Radio myself, my mom told me that Grandma used to listen to Rush all the time when she was alive. Then it hit me after not thinking about it for years, that Rush was the guy on the radio everyday after school complaining about this or that lol.

[pepperdog]

"Columbia University for a bachelor's in engineering and operations research"

Would that be Industrial Engineering??

[Publius6961]

The Weather Channel’s (TWC) Heidi Cullen, who hosts the weekly global warming program "The Climate Code," is advocating that the American Meteorological Society (AMS) revoke their "Seal of Approval" for any television weatherman who expresses skepticism that human activity is creating a climate catastrophe.,p>I never watch the weather channel and, judging by this article, I certainly don't want to.

When weather readers call themselves climatologists and talk of "excommunication" for others who don't agree with their so-called science, it's time to take a serious look at *****-slapping them a bit.

[healy61]

I often believe my predictions for our local storms and snows is better than from professionals. Can I suggest that for the next 30 days we all make morning predictions of weather conditions, and self report our accuracy. I would bet the results would equal Heidi pain-in-the-ass.

[finnman69]

GLOBAL WARMING PRIMER
http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/land/global/climchng.html
http://junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/historical_CO2.htm
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html

These two figures show former temperatures with major periods of glaciation labeled. The dashed lines are the present global average temperature of about 15° C (59° F). Thus the solid curves show small changes from this average; note that the temperature drops only about 5° C during a glaciation. This has occurred about every 100,000 years, with smaller wiggles in between. That is, there has been a 100,000 year glaciation cycle for the past million years or so, and there may be shorter cycles as well.

The most recent glaciation, 20,000 years ago, is called the Laurentide, and Earth is still recovering from it. This map from the The Illinois State Museum exhibit on ice ages shows the extent of that ice.

The most recent small drop in average temperature caused the Little Ice Age of 1500-1700 AD, which history describes. Mountain glaciers advanced in Europe and rivers like the Thames in England froze solid, which doesn't happen now.

Click image for animation

The growth of the ice sheets began about 120,000 years ago as ice built up on the continents in the Northern Hemisphere, especially in Canada and Europe. The largest extent of these ice sheets occurred 18,000 years ago. At that time the largest ice sheets were between 3.5 and 4 km thick. In North America the largest ice sheet was the Laurentide Ice Sheet centered on Hudson Bay with other sheets centered on Greenland and in the Canadian Rocky Mountains. As these ice sheets expanded they grew together, covering Baffin Bay and eventually the Great Lakes and New England. In northwestern Europe the Fennoscandian Ice Sheet began to grow and expand south to cover what is now Norway and Sweden and north to cover the exposed continental shelf. Over time the ice sheet grew to cover Finland and the United Kingdom. This ice sheet extended east to the Ural Mountains where it met the Siberian Ice Sheet. Before the last ice age ice sheets already existed on Antarctica and on Greenland.

Most people seem surprised when we say current levels are relatively low, at least from a long-term perspective - understandable considering the constant media/activist bleat about current levels being allegedly "catastrophically high." Even more express surprise that Earth is currently suffering one of its chilliest episodes in about six hundred million (600,000,000) years. Given that the late Ordovician suffered an ice age (with associated mass extinction) while atmospheric CO2 levels were more than 4,000ppm higher than those of today (yes, that's a full order of magnitude higher), levels at which current 'guesstimations' of climate sensitivity to atmospheric CO2 suggest every last skerrick of ice should have been melted off the planet, we admit significant scepticism over simplistic claims of small increment in atmospheric CO2 equating to toasted planet. Granted, continental configuration now is nothing like it was then, Sol's irradiance differs, as do orbits, obliquity, etc., etc. but there is no obvious correlation between atmospheric CO2 and planetary temperature over the last 600 million years, so why would such relatively tiny amounts suddenly become a critical factor now?

Global Sea Level History

[Fledermaus]

Heidi is a facist. Pure and simple.

[US_MilitaryRules]

Thanks. I just deleted TWC from my favs!

[Pontiac]

Thanks for the INFO.

[mesoman7]

I've been an operational meteorologist coming up on 30 years now...both on the military side and the civilian (NWS)side. Right now, I am just trying to figure out what is happening at this time in my forecast area. Then, I have to project out several days. It is a crap shoot most of the time. You just learn to recognize patterns and hope for the best. Yesterday, one of the longer range computer models showed another major cold surge into the Pac NW at the 240 hour point (day 10). Today, it shows warming. Now, with only minor changes in input, the model changed 180 deg only 10 days out. Now project that type of error out 10 years...or 50 years for that matter. Now try to use data from 100, or 3000 years ago, in climate models. Knowing how much error can result from minor changes over a relatively short forecast period, how much error can you expect from data which is slightly better than a blind guess. Obviously, I don't have much faith in the reliability of "ancient" weather data. Watching the "predictions" of the global warming proponents makes me just shake my head with disappointment. When you take an inflexible position in this business, Mother Nature will slap you up side the head. Seen it happen a hundred times. Is the planet warming? Probably. Is it man-made? Probably not. The warming and cooling cycles have been happening for as long as there has been a planet.

Last point from a crusty old forecaster...

When a challenge to someone's conclusions results in threats or name-calling, they are usually very insecure in their beliefs (i.e, wrong). Now go ahead and decertify me. Oh wait, I let my AMS membership lapse 5 years ago. Nevermind.

mesoman7

[VeniVidiVici]

How can anyone stand to watch TWC? It's 90% commercials with a little weather thrown in. Ugh.

[Grizzled Bear]

being caused my man's activity
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Well; tell him to knock it off! Sheesh! ;-)

[Justa]

"When the going gets tough, the "progressives" go fascist.

"When an opponent declares, "I will not come over to your side," I calmly say, "Your child belongs to us already... What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community." - Adolph Hitler

[BigSkyFreeper]

Heidi, why don't you go tell that garbage of yours to the head of the Hurricane Center. Even he's expressed skepticism of global warming.

[Jagman]

Cardinal Richelieu

Prime Minister of France

1585 - 1642

"If you give me six lines written by the most honest man, I will find something in them to hang him."

[libill]

I am ecstatic that you brought up Mars. Sorely little is said about warming throughout the solar system. You know, the solar system that used to revolve around earth. At least that's what the politically correct "scientists" of the day said.