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Court Rules for Wal-Mart in Maryland Suit [health care spending mandates.......]
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Posted on 01/17/2007 1:21:11 PM PST by Sub-Driver

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To: SierraWasp
What was that expression you picked up on in Schwartzenegger's abomination of a plan that needs to be aborted? (it was something like this IIRC)

"Shared Responsibility"


41 posted on 01/17/2007 3:23:38 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: ElkGroveDan
"Sounds a lot like Arnold's plan."

Wonder if the Maryland plan also included illegal aliens. Seems to be the trend...

42 posted on 01/17/2007 3:28:13 PM PST by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: ElkGroveDan; SierraWasp; NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie; Czar
Arnie's plan is a bit different and has lots of little tricks. Here is one:
Schwarzenegger’s Shakedown

Much has been written about TerminatorCare, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s (R) plan to guarantee health coverage to all Californians by employing every lousy idea the Left has ever conjured.

But much of what has been written about TerminatorCare is wrong. Media accounts and even some policy wonks have reported that Schwarzenegger, through the magic of Medicaid, would have taxpayers in other states pay for only half the cost of his plan. Would that that were so [sic].

Instead, Schwarzenegger actually proposes to use an old Medicaid trick that would put non-Californians on the hook for much more than half the cost. First, he would boost state payments to providers, which triggers federal matching funds. But then he would tax the providers so much that he would recover the state’s initial outlay plus most of the federal matching funds, which he would then use to finance the rest of the plan. At the end of the day, California would spend zero extra dollars on provider payments, yet the ruse would net an additional $1.3 billion from taxpayers in other states.

After one cuts through the budget gimmicks, one finds that Californians would contribute only $1.3 billion to the plan, while taxpayers in other states would contribute $4.5 billion — or over three times as much.


43 posted on 01/17/2007 3:38:02 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
"After one cuts through the budget gimmicks..."

The Austrian bows to no one when it comes to budget gimmicks. A Rat at heart, his first instinct is to find a way to cook the books.

44 posted on 01/17/2007 3:43:46 PM PST by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: calcowgirl
I love the title:"Schwartzenegger's Shakedown!"

But I must admit the formula is so CONvoluted that I'm having trouble absorbing it and all of it's far-reaching ramifications. But, of course that's what I suppose it was designed to do.

That's what lawyers and lawmakers do... CONfuse the issue, then re-clarify it on such complex terms that only they can ressurect their evil intent from the far-reaching verbage!!!

45 posted on 01/17/2007 3:56:41 PM PST by SierraWasp (There is no one else in the hollow "center" except CA's celebrity collectivist compellinator!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
I see numerous references to the rising cost of Medicaid in many states on this thread. I hate to throw cold water on the Wallyworld hate fest but the rising cost of state provided medical care is almost totally a result of the immigrant invasion not Walmarts inadequate insurance provision.
46 posted on 01/17/2007 4:02:52 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: SierraWasp

Try this:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/01/governor_schwarzeneggers_flawe.html


47 posted on 01/17/2007 4:08:16 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Red_Devil 232
The employees of Wal-Mart get a 10% discount on all items. There are a few exclusions to the items that are eligible for the discount, food is one. At Xmas there is a one time purchase discount of 20%, great time to buy a computer or flat screen TV

My 19 year old son worked as a seasonal grocery stocker for Walmart in Nov/Dec 2006. He was make $8.75/hour. Not bad for a high school dropout. He took advantage of his 20% Christmas discount to buy a 32 inch HDTV and an XBox360. Most retail employees in the area are getting federal minimum wage of $5.15 and no discounts. Had he been hired full time, he could have enrolled in the medical coverage plan. Few other employers in the area make such a good set of benefits available to employees.

48 posted on 01/17/2007 4:10:36 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

If your son is still not employed he might want to go back to Wal-Mart. Even as a "part time" employee they will pay for the cost to get a GED. And as a "part time" employee he would be able to take advantage of the Wal-Mart health care benefits after a "year" of employment. At his age and if he is a good employee I can't think of a reason for him not to become a full time employee soon.


49 posted on 01/17/2007 5:06:12 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: meyer
Good news - This was flawed from the start. Singling out WalMart was doomed to failure. It was and is an unfair concept, like all the other socialist BS that the left tries to impose on others.

Now now, in defense of the law makers they did not single out Wal-Mart. Infact the "Wal-Mart" doesn't appear in any of the bills language.

Of course, this was their attempt at pulling a fast one and specifically targeting Wal-Mart as they set the number of employees that would require a company to provide the insurance at a level that ONLY Wal-Mart reached.

50 posted on 01/17/2007 5:32:11 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Sub-Driver

Wow, more common sense and logic from a Justice Dept. /sarc


51 posted on 01/17/2007 5:38:00 PM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Red_Devil 232
If your son is still not employed he might want to go back to Wal-Mart. Even as a "part time" employee they will pay for the cost to get a GED. And as a "part time" employee he would be able to take advantage of the Wal-Mart health care benefits after a "year" of employment. At his age and if he is a good employee I can't think of a reason for him not to become a full time employee soon.

His "seasonal" employment ended Dec 30th. He was been waiting for his final check in the mail. An envelope arrived from the store manager today. We thought it might be his last paycheck. Instead, it was a form to fill out as the "highlighted associate" of the month. Methinks the manager didn't get the word that his last day at work was Dec 30th. I suggested he fill it out and ask the manager about his scheduled hours. Getting the GED is on his priority list. His preferred method is online classes. Why not? He has a good computer and connectivity.

52 posted on 01/17/2007 5:44:55 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Sub-Driver

Don't get too excited. The Federal Court wasn't saying this is wrong, they were saying "only WE can do this." (referring to the fed.) Although this law is pure socialism, I tend to support State's rights of soverignity in these matters. If my State screws me I can always (as a last resort) move to a non-socialist State. If the Fed screws me, I'm gonna stay screwed.


53 posted on 01/17/2007 5:44:56 PM PST by joebuck
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To: Phantom Lord
Now now, in defense of the law makers they did not single out Wal-Mart. Infact the "Wal-Mart" doesn't appear in any of the bills language.

Please do not attempt to defend the lawmakers in this case - they knew exactly what they were doing and they did it at the behest of the unions. Giant Foods used to have a headquarters in Maryland and their union was plugged into the Rat Party big time. This was first and foremost a "screw Wal-Mart" bill and everyone in Maryland knew it.

54 posted on 01/17/2007 5:55:16 PM PST by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: RebelBanker
Rebel,

Go back to my post and read the next sentence.

55 posted on 01/17/2007 5:59:35 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Myrddin
Wow! He needs to take the initiative and go see the store manager! Take the letter with him, show it to the manager and ask if there is an opening. He obviously did a very good job while he was there to have received the award. If I were the manager I would hire him on the spot for being an aggressive job seeker!
56 posted on 01/17/2007 6:03:22 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Sub-Driver
lawmakers in dozens of other states said they would introduce similar bills to confront spiraling Medicaid costs.

These politicians just don't get it. How about abolishing Medicaid, which will force transient and "low-income" people to buy their own health insurance and be responsible?

57 posted on 01/17/2007 6:03:49 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: LM_Guy
I hope your Walmart prices keep dropping and keep up with the state tax increases that will be coming due to the exploding Medicaid costs that most states are facing.

Medicaid IS the problem itself. This is what politicians don't understand. When something is free or subsidized, people are going to take advantage of it, including employers.

Personally, I don't blame Wal-Mart. Why should they care if their employees are using state assistance? Their goal is to make a profit, like all businesses. They didn't create Medicaid or the rules associated with it. If politicians don't want this to happen then get rid of Medicaid entirely and let the market work its magic.

58 posted on 01/17/2007 6:08:45 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Phantom Lord
I read your whole post and it looked kind of like you were contradicting yourself ;-)

I just made a comment from the perspective of someone here in the Peoples Democratic State of Maryland for anyone who is not familiar with the running sewer of liberalism we have for a legislature. A local talk show host (and long time White House correspondent) named Les Kinsolving refers to our state capital as "the Land of Political Enchantment" or "the Wackiest Capital in the Nation."
59 posted on 01/17/2007 6:12:02 PM PST by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: Sub-Driver; maica
Facing ballooning Medicaid costs, the Maryland state legislature last year passed a law forcing major employers to spend the equivalent of 8 percent of their payrolls on health care

No one would (could?) say how many Walmart employees were actually on Medicaid. When those on Medicare or their parents' or spouse's medical insurance as well as healthy young people who just do not want to pay anything for health insurance are factored out, I'll bet there aren't that many Walmart employees using Medicaid at all. The whole thing is about Walmart not being union.

There was no requirement in the bill for actually increasing the amoung spent on each employees' insurance, or the number of insured; just more money spent in total. They could have sent executives' families to "health" enrichment resorts.

This was just one of the fake issues that the left, especially the Baltimore Sun, used to beat up our former Republican governor. I hated to see him lose reelection, but his personal life will probably be much better without the constant beating he took as Gov. in this ever bluer state.

60 posted on 01/17/2007 6:14:39 PM PST by Freee-dame
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