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Posted on 01/17/2007 11:21:09 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Pukin Dog
"Before any of you rubes start blaming the President, try to understand that elections matter, and you single issue, "Bush spends like a drunken sailor" nutbags who stayed home on election day have only yourselves to blame."
*APPLAUSE* Exactly.
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posted on
01/17/2007 1:27:14 PM PST
by
Diana in Wisconsin
(Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
To: BlueAngel
To: Getsmart64
Hopefully there's a super-double secret court we don't know about lol.
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posted on
01/17/2007 1:29:54 PM PST
by
txhurl
To: Sub-Driver
" the controversial domestic warrantless surveillance program". Will somebody, somewhere, explain to me HOW ON EARTH cataloguing international phone calls to Peshawar Pakistan constitutes domestic spying?
It aggravates me no end that NO REPUBLICAN is willing to call the press on their brainless parroting of Howard Dean's talking points.
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posted on
01/17/2007 1:32:45 PM PST
by
cookcounty
(The "Greatest Generation" was also the most violent generation.)
To: oceanview
leads and tips are just left on the vine - not pursuedAgreed. IMHO, this is a bad mistake on Bushs part and it will come back to bite the US on the @$$. FISA...pfft!
Sometimes, for the hell of it, I imagine what it might have been if a warrant 'WAS' issued for Moussaoui's computer and 9-11 was prevented....
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posted on
01/17/2007 1:33:27 PM PST
by
processing please hold
(ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
To: oceanview
so now we have to quake in our boots for fear of Patrick Leahy? you're acknowledging fear and defeat yourself with that post. You need a nap.
Patrick Leahy is the biggest LEAKER in the Senate. By keeping the program away from Leahy, he protects its effectiveness.
You must have the most sore knees in America.
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posted on
01/17/2007 1:34:28 PM PST
by
Pukin Dog
(Sans Reproache)
To: OldFriend
That's why I take what they say with a pinch of salt and only put them on for entertainment purposes...:)
To: oceanview
that's just the window dressing on thisI can understand that attitude, but considering how poor at PR this Administration is, I doubt it. I expect they have gotten what they want from the FISA court.
But be that as it may, I stand by my statement that the excerpts gave an inaccurate and unfair characterization to the Administration's action.
To: Sub-Driver
To: Diana in Wisconsin
Sorry...his statement didn't have nothing to do with the convo..unless Bush is caving into politics....the one thing I admired about Bush was his stance on HIS issues...some I agree with..and some I don't...his domestic policies leave a lot to be desired but his polices on the WOT overrode anything for me...and this convo is about the WOT...not some other BS issue...
To: txflake
Shush...some lurking libtard might hear you and make implausible accusations that the MSM will report as truth...
To: Pukin Dog
Is that why what's his face from NC, or was it SC???, wanted government employees held to the USMJ?? Not enuff for a civilan court but enuff for a military court??....hmmm??
To: Getsmart64
So...in essense...you are saying that we have lost the WOT...politics have taken over...The answer is two part.....Remains to be seen, and Yes......
To: oceanview
he has basically just said to them "you know what, you were right after all". No, that is not what he did. But some will certainly see it that way.
The fact is, Specter has been beating the hell out of this drum, and was not going to cooperate with some picks that need his shepherding if we are to get anyone even close to a moderate past the Dem's. We have to retain this putrid piece of crap's support, even though he is not done complaining, whining, pissing and moaning.
Reality bites when you are a lame duck and face a opposition Congress, and there are some things that have to be done.
Like GWB's judicial appointments. he will be required to give away the store on every one of them, and then some. This is the reality the voters, and our goat stinking base has handed the president and left him to deal with alone.
To: Getsmart64
The article, which was very short, didn't explain that, but from what I have seen of this president, he did not cave, give up, or run away from his duties to defend this nation from its enemies, and it looks to me that by this plan, which involved the Attorney General, he has found a way to wrench the surveillance out of the hands of the feint-hearted Congress members and put it more directly under the control of those who understand the need for national security, and the means to achieve it. That is what I deduce from the very few lines of the article and what I have seen from President Bush in the past. Hope I'm right.
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posted on
01/17/2007 2:42:22 PM PST
by
GretchenM
(What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
To: oceanview
"...let the Dems be the ones to take down terrorist surveillance."
Very nice - someone should take that as a tagline. Thank you!
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posted on
01/17/2007 2:52:39 PM PST
by
Let's Roll
("...given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor - you will have war"- W.Churchill)
To: oceanview
and what happens when an intercept is made, and the FISA court doesn't feel it justifies a retro-active warrant - NSA is forced to "forget" that they passed the information to the FBI .....?That's when you call Jack Bauer and the NSA 'cleanup' crew.
No fuss. No muss. No more bad guy.
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posted on
01/17/2007 3:06:00 PM PST
by
Edit35
To: Cold Heat
Reality bites when you are a lame duck and face a opposition Congress, and there are some things that have to be done.Yes...fortunately it's razor thin and with an appropriately directed act of God, that could turn around too.
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posted on
01/17/2007 4:24:17 PM PST
by
evad
To: Cold Heat
abandoning this program, isn't worth a few judicial picks. A SCOTUS conservative - OK, then maybe I would agree. But we all know none of this is going to happen, the Dems in the senate are going to block judicial picks - whether or not the administration swerved on this issue, or not.
To: Pukin Dog
leaks on what, the existence of the program? that cat is already out of the bag. what is leahy going to leak, had the administration continued to bypass FISA?
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