Posted on 01/17/2007 9:35:11 AM PST by TexKat
London (KurdishMedia.com) 16 January 2007: The Turkish army have gathered and intensified its forces on the Kurdistan’s boarder ready for attack, reported local sources on Tuesday.
While Turkey is holding a conference on Kirkuk without the participation of the Kurdistan Regional Government or any Kurdish political party, Turkey has intensified its forces on the Kurdistan’s border. Some Turkmens, Arabs and a high number of Turkish MP’s have participated in the conference. It was revealed by local sources that only Turkish flag displayed in the conference.
Radio Nawa stated that the Turkish army ready for zero o’clock to attack Kurdistan.
The speaker of Kurdistan Parliament, Adnan Mufti, condemned the meeting and dismissed it as the interferences on Kurdistan’s affairs.
The Kurdistan Presidential Council led by Massuad Barzani has not made any statement regarding the Turkish conference on Kirkuk or the Turkish army’s gathering on the Kurdistan’s border.
Lol, you are sad!
When did Kurdistan start taking in boarders?
"Do you believe in the template that a country has the right to attack a country or a group of terrorist(PKK) if they are slipping into your country carrying out attacks?"
What Turkey is doing with the PPK in Iraq is pretty much the same as what Israel is doing with the Hezzies in Lebanon.
True. It's all relative.
Nah, it's all objective evaluation and reevalutions based on the information avaiable.
The U.S. should tell Turkey to keep their darned nose out of it, or send in troops to help with the general clean up.
I don't know...but Turkey is a land bridge between Europe and the ME....because of that they have their own unique problems...maybe a "Kurdistan" would, geopolitically, cause more internal problems between Turkey's citizens...the choice being.....are we European??...or are we Semitic???...just one of many ways to look at the situation...
SolidWood you are correct all around. Though they should never have been in N.A.T.O.
The Kurds have been very good allies in this war and the only two reasons I can seen Turkey going through with this is to gain the north Iraqi oil fields for themselves and to keep their own Kurdish population from joinging a united Kurdistan.
Lastly I love your tag line.
--If Turkey invades Iraq from the rear would Greece help?--
Why didn't the Greek boy want to join the army?
He didn't want to leave his brother's behind.
it's funny how all these nations like Turkey and Iran and others are comming into this half way through AFTER we have done all the hard work- Attacking others while they've been weakened. Turkey has been chomping at the bit waiting for their chance to invade. President Bush should issue a statement and say that if one turkish foot step over the border to interfere in the war on terror that h4 will bomb them back to the stone age.
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Hmmmmmmm.....I don't think that is the problem, but it may be a point that is debated by academics in the region.
Turkey has formed a government that is almost a Islamic based parliamentary rubber stamp. It runs everything through a Islamic filter, and this alone should be worrisome to Europe and Turkish participation in the Euro community.
I think Europe is just wishful thinking, as they seem to do as a matter of policy.
This government is a democratic looking government but functions as a theocracy, from what I can decipher. I base this on the window we got when they denied access to their territory. There was much opposition to the decision, but it was squashed like a bug. It looked like everyone opposed was threatened and silenced.
I think Turkey is a lie. And i think they are getting away with it, but occasionally do something that gets attention, as we see here.
It almost looks like a Iranian proxy.....but I'm not familiar enough with the specifics to make that call. I feel like the wool has been pulled over the eyes of Europe and the West, in regard to this Islamic Republic in Democratic clothing.
Thanks....what a tangle.
Let me see. Turkey stiffed us on the 4th ID during "Iraqi Freedom". The Kurds not only helped us, they're still thanking us. NATO [some of it] won't even fight the Taliban. The rest of NATO will go with us instead of Europe. It's a no brainer. Screw Turkey. Or, in the name of reasonableness, Turkey waives on Kirkuk - we give them ALL of Cyprus [we owe the Greeks something for the rocket attack, anyway].
Actually, despite the somewhat Islamic party currently in power (AKP), Turkey's system of government is still far from a theocracy. Their constitution has strict laws upholding secularism and the separation of religion and state (in some instances even more strict than the U.S. Constitution) - and the AKP cannot override these no matter what they do.
For example, there is a strict ban on women wearing headscarves in all schools, universities, government buildings; no religious schooling is allowed before high school level; there's no laws against divorce or homosexuality, no law against women going topless in public beaches, (and they do so); thousands of Israeli tourists visit each year, etc. Now the current Prime Minister, Erdogan, did actually try to make adultery illegal and limit alcohol sales, but quickly withdrew those proposals due to enormous public outcry.
As for denying access to the 4th ID into Iraq, ironically, Erdogan actually supported the U.S. It came down to a very close vote, but it was out of concern for increased Kurdish nationalism/terrorism, and from EU pressure that the Parliament couldn't muster up the last few votes needed. Of course the Turkish govt. is nowhere near as liberal as Western Europe and won't be anytime soon, but having been to Turkey, it's still a far cry from Iran and much of the Arab world.
I was hoping someone could address what I see and explain how they have integrated Islam into a Parliament.
I understand the fears from past Kurdish militarism, but why are they so worried about Iraq's Kurds who appear to me to be on a completely different track then the Turks. Are they worried the Turks Kurds will move to Iraq? It seems they would be happy to unload the troublemakers, if that is what they really are.
I seriously doubt that Iraqi Kurds are interested in attacking turkey, and just because they call the region they are in, Kurdistan, does not mean it is not Iraqi soil.
From what I have read, they seem quite content to be a part of Iraq, but they do want autonomy and Iraq has given it to them.
Why then, is Turkey so damned concerned?
This is what I don't quite fathom. They have been in a panic since day one.
I think their concern is more over what the Turkish Kurds will do. Militant Kurdish groups lay claim to about a quarter of all of Turkey's lands, which they call "Northern Kurdistan." Basically, they want to annex this huge part of Turkish terrritory into a greater Kurdistan nation.
If Turkey could be sure that an autonomous Iraqi Kurdish state wouldn't encourage Turkish Kurds to start revolting and starting a civil war in Turkey - so they could create a greater Kurdistan nation combined with Iraqi Kurdistan - then they'd be much less concerned over what Iraqi Kurds do. Unfortunately, whether their fears are fully warranted or not, there's huge concern in Turkey that the Turkish Kurds wouldn't be content with having their own mini-nation in Iraq to move to, and that they'd start a civil war to take over Turkish land to incorporate into a much larger Kurdish nation.
In addition, Turkey has dealt with Kurdish terrorists (PKK and other groups) who've been bombimg and killing Turkish and foreign civilians for nearly 30 years, and unfortunately, these terrorist attacks have been getting worse over the past year, which doesn't help to allay their fears.
IMO, it is likely that some accommodation will have to be made eventually, but I would think that this largely depends on how successful the Iraq Kurdish zone is, and how they react to the growing new government. Also, how Turkish Kurds react to the situations as they develop. One can only hope it is done peacefully and the region can remain Turkish and not under the gun..
On another note, they appear to be a very interesting people. It is unfortunate that have experienced oppression in the past and retaliation has left a lot of bad blood. The current situation exists and is dicey, but this is the problem with the tribal nature of the entire Middle East and will be a problem long into the future. Way too much historical memory. Way too many mistakes made.
My own predecessors came from the Baltic's where they too were oppressed religiously and in many other ways. They came to the U.S. in 1923 or so, Thanks again!
Fascinating mess they've got over there -- the Kurds were hosting Iranians engaged in the attacks on Iraq and the US forces there. The Kurds said they'd known all about it all along. And at least one of the Iranians assassinated leaders from a rival Kurdish faction. Just a coincidence of course. The Iraqi gov't also objects to their capture. And the Turks are threatening to invade (nothing new), while saying that the Kurds -- far and away the most numerous -- have to share power.
Nuke all the bastards, plant the flag, and tell China and Europe that the price of oil is going up.
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