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Duke professors post 'open letter' (Duke Rape Hoax)
Scripps News ^ | 1/17/07 | JANE STANCILL

Posted on 01/16/2007 9:19:41 PM PST by freespirited

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To: freespirited
"We reject all attempts to try the case outside the courts, and stand firmly by the principle of the presumption of innocence."

Oh, er, except in that ad we put our names on a few months ago. We were just kidding! Ha ha! What it was was, er, um, actually a parody of a bunch of old hippies running an ad! Ha ha! Humor is such a good thing! Ha ha! So there's really no need to put our pensions into jeopardy by filing any sort of legal action here! We've worked hard all our lives sipping green tea in various faculty lounges and, really, we're super-good people so please -- it was just a parody! Ha ha! Now move along! Thanks! Phew! That was close!

41 posted on 01/16/2007 10:15:11 PM PST by JennysCool (If your attitude's appalling, there's a latitude that's calling)
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To: freespirited

From the original "ad":

"I can’t help but think about the different attention given to what has happened from what it would have been if the guys had been not just black but participating in a different sport,like football, something that’s not so upscale"

I can answer that easily. If it were the basketball team, the coach would not have been fired by the University President based on unproven allegations, the season would not have been cancelled by the University President due to unproven allegations, and the players involved would not have been kicked out of school by the University President based on unproven allegations. In other words, the presumption of innocence of the accused would not have been cast aside by the University and its President based on the unproven allegations of a prostitute who had never even been interviewed by the District Attorney or his staff.


42 posted on 01/16/2007 10:15:33 PM PST by Roberts
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To: freespirited
The ad has been read as a comment on the alleged rape, the team party, or the specific students accused

NOW it is an "alleged" rape. In the original ad it was "what happened to this young woman".

The whole ad is based on the presumption of their guilt. If you don't have a racially motivated rape, then the things said in the ad about racism and sexism don't make sense.

43 posted on 01/16/2007 10:18:13 PM PST by knuthom
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To: freespirited

"We think the ad's authors were right to give voice to the students quoted, whose suffering is real."

Oh, puhleeze .. whose suffering is real? I'm going to take a wild guess and assume it's students who probably didn't fit in the highly competitive environment that is Duke. Maybe it's those students who should transfer to another school. Together with the faculty who gave them voice.





44 posted on 01/16/2007 10:19:41 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: JerseyHighlander

Hmmm... what disaster, then, did the signers of the original letter believed happened? The letter plainly calls the events of that night, "a disaster," yet somehow, given their definition of the disaster, I don't find it plausible that they considered a black woman from NC State's accusation against white Duke lacrosse players to be a disaster. Their quite plain that the disaster is part of a continuum of ongoing racism and sexism at Duke.


45 posted on 01/16/2007 10:26:51 PM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: knuthom
The whole ad is based on the presumption of their guilt. If you don't have a racially motivated rape, then the things said in the ad about racism and sexism don't make sense.

The whole idea of shielding the identity of rape "victims," while publicizing the identity of the perpetrator, implies presumption of guilt. If the guy isn't guilty, then the victim isn't really a victim, and may very well be a false accuser guilty of a serious crime herself.

Yet the procedure is hardly ever questioned.

And don't get me started on the media and public attitude that the heinousness of a given crime somehow implies the guilt of the person accused.

46 posted on 01/16/2007 10:27:52 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: freespirited
From the original ad: "To the students speaking individually and to the protestors making collective noise, thank you for not waiting and for making yourselves heard."

How is that not a request for people to rush to judgement without ensuring they have all the facts?

47 posted on 01/16/2007 10:31:32 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: freespirited
One of the legal types on Fox News was remarking about the possibility of numerous lawsuits brought the Lacrosse players and their families against Nifong. She remarked that probably when it's all said and done, it will be Duke University that will be found to have the "Deep Pockets".

It looks like the faculty is in big time damage control. Maybe they feel Duke will let them swing on their own.

48 posted on 01/16/2007 10:32:38 PM PST by skimask (People who care what you do don't matter.......People who matter don't care what you do.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

JerseyHighlander... Seems Jersey folks are who the NC folks are trying to keep out... Nevermind them, though, right?

I hate to say it, but if I were 18, I'd be tempted to give Duke a try. Every campus is dominated by liberal sh*theads, but how many colleges do the liberal sh*theads actually sign a statement so you can identify them (and thus steer clear)?

J/K... at least partly...


49 posted on 01/16/2007 10:34:00 PM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: freespirited
included anonymous statements by students talking about racism and sexism on the campus.

Left-wing professors and anonymous statements, that sorta taxes the believability factor.

50 posted on 01/16/2007 10:35:25 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Sherman Logan
And don't get me started on the media and public attitude that the heinousness of a given crime somehow implies the guilt of the person accused.

While I don't particularly doubt that Timothy McVeigh was in significant measure responsible for detonating a large bomb outside the Murrah building, I do think he was railroaded. Despite repeated sustained objection, the prosecution kept on introducing testimony from people who had lost loved ones in the blast/collapse. To be sure, such testimony would be appropriate in the sentencing phase, but unless the defense is contesting the fact that people died the testimony of the decedents' loved ones has nothing whatsoever to do with whether Timothy McVeigh was responsible for the bombing. So what was the purpose of that testimony, if not to unjustly inflame the jury?

51 posted on 01/16/2007 10:36:13 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: JerseyHighlander
"We stand by the claim that issues of race and sexual violence on campus are real, and we join the ad's call to all of us at Duke to do something about this."

Oh really? You want to do something positive about race relations? How about not automatically jumping to conclusions about the guilt of some 'rich white boys' based on your presumptions about the way you assume they would treat black women, then issuing some 'gosh isn't it terrible how some white people treat black people' letter to make it look like you're not judging anyone?

Buncha maroons.

52 posted on 01/16/2007 10:44:45 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: JerseyHighlander

There is a distinct new trend in the social agenda of the Left: it no longer matters who is innocent or guilty: charges are made, and they take the ball and run with it, because of the OPPORTUNITY it presents to "air" an "important issue"---one like this must have seemed irresistible: jocks, sexism, racism, monetary exploitation
(they probably didn't even pay her enough), etc.etc. Nifong proved to be the ideal engine that drove this "case":
it has been going on FOREVER, giving everyone the chance to jump on the bandwagon, and wring every ounce of social
significance out of it: or, on the other hand, jump off once it starts to look really bad and mishandled. This one is coming to a head, finally, rather quickly, after, what, 91/2 months? But the important thing is, the Left and people like Nifong, who twisted the case into nothing but a springboard for his own political ambition without even looking at its details, have been willing to simply let their version of what happened circulate out there in the public at large, because it served a political agenda. The fact that 99% of it will be proved UNPROVABLE if not a total lie, is irrelevant. The Left's contention is that IT COULD HAVE BEEN TRUE, IT MIGHT AS WELL BE TRUE, BECAUSE THESE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED BEFORE, AND AT LEAST WE GOT IT THE THING PUBLICIZED AND DISCUSSED AND THAT IS THE IMPORTANT THING. The fact that they put a bunch of young guys through the ringer and ruined their lives doesn't matter to the Left. It never did---for a hundred years they have been playing with people's lives like this.


53 posted on 01/16/2007 10:49:27 PM PST by supremedoctrine ("Talent hits a target no one else can hit, genius hits a target no one else can see"--Schopenhauer)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
They could all use a good Draino enema.

Ouch! Now that hurts!

54 posted on 01/16/2007 11:22:35 PM PST by technomage (You get what you want one step at a time)
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To: technomage

A Draino enema is the only thing that is guaranteed to clean out their brains.


55 posted on 01/16/2007 11:25:58 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth shall set you free))))
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To: LC HOGHEAD

The fake indian proved you can't fire these clowns. The liberals are running the show.


56 posted on 01/16/2007 11:26:25 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: jazusamo

"Left-wing professors and anonymous statements, that sorta taxes the believability factor."

sounds like your typical CNN reporting.


57 posted on 01/16/2007 11:27:35 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: freespirited

A whole lot of backtracking weasel words from these pathetic clowns.


58 posted on 01/16/2007 11:28:04 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: EDINVA

Suffering at Duke? Puhleaze.


59 posted on 01/16/2007 11:29:16 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: freespirited


Claremont Professor Keri Dunn vandalized her own car and then, before she was exposed as the vandal, led campus "anti-hate" rallies. The Duke professors are no better than Dunn.

60 posted on 01/16/2007 11:32:25 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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