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Parents Block Plans to Vaccinate Nine-year-olds against Sex Virus
news.scotsman.com ^ | 07/01/07 | Brian Brady

Posted on 01/16/2007 7:46:58 AM PST by Thywillnotmine

WORRIED parents have blocked government plans to vaccinate girls as young as nine against a sexually-transmitted virus that can cause cervical cancer.

Health chiefs have abandoned proposals to offer the jab against human papilloma virus (HPV) to primary school children after parents complained that it was inappropriate for girls of such a young age.

Scotland on Sunday revealed last summer that ministers were considering offering the jab to children in a desperate attempt to stop the "epidemic" in cervical cancer. The proposals for a nationwide scheme followed successful trials of a new vaccine in Glasgow.

But ministers have now been forced to concentrate on plans for the treatment on girls of at least 12 - itself a hugely controversial move.

The government U-turn came after medical experts who make the final recommendations on the baseline defences against HPV were warned of parents' opposition. The experts also threw out proposals to vaccinate boys against HPV, despite evidence that they can transmit the virus through sexual contact.

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KEYWORDS: health; hpv
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To: HostileTerritory

Said with stunning clarity


101 posted on 01/16/2007 9:24:24 AM PST by tomcorn
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To: Alter Kaker
it's endemic, and if your daughter reaches adulthood, then she will almost certainly become infected through no fault of her own.

You really are full of crap.

102 posted on 01/16/2007 9:26:34 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Gabz

I don't have a problem with them working on it, either. It may even lead to more cures for viruses in the future. I do have a problem with the government mandating it so that the taxpayers end up paying for it, and I have a problem with the overwrought insinuations of some here on this forum that not giving this vaccine to our daughters is tantamount to a death sentence.


103 posted on 01/16/2007 9:27:07 AM PST by LadyNavyVet
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To: concerned about politics
You get your daughter(s) injected, and I'll not get my daughter injected. That way, we'll both raise our own children our own way, and we'll both be happy.

What a wonderfully selfish attitude. You actually think your daughter's risk of cancer is somehow about ~you~. Perhaps many years from now she will agree with your decision. What a shame if not.

Your pride is showing. Comfortable illusions are funny that way.

104 posted on 01/16/2007 9:27:33 AM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: Sloth
You really are full of crap.

80% of American women will be infected with HPV by their 50th birthday. I suppose that 80% is just the bad girls...

Sorry, that's the definition of endemic in my book.

105 posted on 01/16/2007 9:27:50 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heie)
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To: Alter Kaker

Can you post some more links supporting this post (64)? As far as I know the Merck vaccine is the first one for HPV anywhere.

On another note, HRT used to be considered the bees knees and now we know more about that.

And the 1st Rotavirus vaccine used to be also hailed as very beneficial, until they had to pull it from the shelves because of the deaths related to it.


106 posted on 01/16/2007 9:31:28 AM PST by elc (Guns kill people the same way the spoon made Rosie O'Donnell fat.)
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To: HungarianGypsy
what is the percentage not caused by HPV?

HPV causes well over 90% of cervical cancer cases (different studies give different numbers, but the difference is minor). Unfortunately, there are many different strains of HPV. The vaccine doesn't protect against all of them -- instead, it targets only the two most common HPV strains. Those two strains are themselves responsible for about 70% of cervical cancer cases.

107 posted on 01/16/2007 9:33:54 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heie)
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To: trumandogz
But what about her husband? What if he is a carrier? What if, god forbid, the unthinkable happens and sex is forced on her? Cervical cancer is deadly and a cure is to be thanked, not tossed to the side.

That's my opinion to be sure, yours may be different, but cancer doesn't really care about opinions, it only cares about opportunity.

108 posted on 01/16/2007 9:37:05 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: elc

You're right, I'm wrong. The HPV vaccine has been studied extensively, but it has not been on the market for "years." There are actually two vaccines -- Merck's and GlaxoSmithKline's -- but only Merck's has been approved in the US (approval for Glaxo's drug is likely forthcoming).


109 posted on 01/16/2007 9:39:33 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heie)
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To: calex59
Excuse me, but I don't recall the article saying that children couldn't get the vacination, only that the governement shouldn't mandate. It can still be given on a voluntary basis if the Scots wish to take their children to a Doctor and have it done. This is the way it should be, people should be informed and made aware this vacination is available and if they think their children should have it then they are free to have their child vacinated.

This kind of clear-headed reasoning must NOT be tolerated! I am going to contact my congressman and ask him to introduce legislation prohibiting the thinking and expressing of clear-headed, rational, thought!

110 posted on 01/16/2007 9:40:40 AM PST by Ignatz ("I think we should tax all foreigners living abroad.")
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To: Alter Kaker

Your own CDC link says that about 20 million people are infected. Assuming they are just talking about the USA, that's only 15% of the total population, and a good fraction of those would be men.


111 posted on 01/16/2007 9:40:45 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: concerned about politics

My assistant's daughter has it - caught it from her husband. She was a virgin when she married. He was not.


112 posted on 01/16/2007 9:40:58 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Alter Kaker

I mean to say, that's only about 7% of the population, or one in every 15.


113 posted on 01/16/2007 9:43:14 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Alter Kaker

What are the statistics for adverse reaction to the vaccine?

With 150,000,000 women in the USA it would have to be less than 0.00267 percent of the people receiving the vaccine.

That's a really low number!


114 posted on 01/16/2007 9:44:02 AM PST by BillM
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To: nanster

I can see both sides of this issue. Pretty much.

It's nice to get vaccinated against things that can cause problems.

OTOH, why be forced unless it's a clear public-health/safety issue? Influenza in 1918 would've been a clear issue, spread by mere touch and breathing and running rampant and killing people within WEEKS.

Never mind that apparently HPV is spread mostly by 1 not-so-casual every-day kind of touch, but it is not something that shows a great chance of ever being something serious.

I have reflux disease. I cannot resolve it (unlike HPV). There is ~0.2% chance I could get gullet cancer from it. Very small.

This seems even smaller chance, and the HPV can be resolved if found.

People may also be concerned about the long-term effects of this vaccination. I don't know if I personally would be very scared, but it IS better to "let others be the guinea pigs" on a brand-new process and see if it really works out over time without causing its own horrors.

Top it off, if it is to be administered to older children after they've had all their other mandatory shots, parents might be a bit squeemish about possibly having to explain why they need it. No need to open the door to the unwanted activity. Better for later that it is included for regular shots in little children who only know those 15 serums are to "protect from disease" generally.


115 posted on 01/16/2007 9:44:53 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: BillM
What are the statistics for adverse reaction to the vaccine?

Define "adverse reaction". The FDA approved studies reported zero major adverse reactions. Minor adverse reactions (mainly itching and redness at the site of injection) are common.

116 posted on 01/16/2007 9:50:49 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heie)
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To: Alter Kaker
If you decide not to permit your 9 year old to get immunized against HPV / cervical cancer, you're suggesting not only that you're confident that she will never once have sex outside of marriage, but that her future husband won't either.

The vaccine doesn't have to be given at 9 years old. 18 or later would work just fine. (Or earlier, if you're worried about your child's behavior...)

117 posted on 01/16/2007 9:52:47 AM PST by teawithmisswilliams (Basta, already!)
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To: concerned about politics
You talk like a parent. The politicians are going to hate you for it. There's money to be had from those shots.

There's also money to be made from decades of HPV detection, cancer screening, and occasional cancer treatment, both curative and palliative. Choose the best way to spend your money.

118 posted on 01/16/2007 9:53:15 AM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: Alter Kaker

When you ask me to define adverse reactions you mqke a point for me.

What if women stop being promiscuous and at the same time have regular Pap smears? This would also lower the incidence to a very low level.

The behavior which propagates HPV also carries other major health risks!

Maybe we as a society should really look at PREVENTATIVE measures as opposed to bandaids.


119 posted on 01/16/2007 10:02:03 AM PST by BillM
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To: teawithmisswilliams

That's a good point about the age. My two girls are 16 and 19 and I'll be setting them up soon for it, well before any sexual activity has happened.


120 posted on 01/16/2007 10:06:57 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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