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ON EDUCATION: Intelligence in the Classroom
opinionjournal.com ^ | Tuesday, January 16, 2007 | CHARLES MURRAY

Posted on 01/16/2007 6:19:46 AM PST by Pharmboy

Half of all children are below average, and teachers can do only so much for them.

Education is becoming the preferred method for diagnosing and attacking a wide range problems in American life. The No Child Left Behind Act is one prominent example. Another is the recent volley of articles that blame rising income inequality on the increasing economic premium for advanced education. Crime, drugs, extramarital births, unemployment--you name the problem, and I will show you a stack of claims that education is to blame, or at least implicated. One word is missing from these discussions: intelligence. Hardly anyone will admit it, but education's role in causing or solving any problem cannot be evaluated without considering the underlying intellectual ability of the people being educated. Today and over the next two days, I will put the case for three simple truths about the mediating role of intelligence that should bear on the way we think about education and the nation's future.

Today's simple truth: Half of all children are below average in intelligence. We do not live in Lake Wobegon.

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To: Pharmboy
"One word is missing from these discussions: intelligence."

Because it is a vote getter, we spend more on Education than we do on the entire Military. And in his misguided attempts to be nonpartisan, President Bush let Ted Kennedy take charge of the No Child Left Behind frame work. Education in America is a political foot ball that wins votes and spends endless amounts of tax payer $$$ to no avail.

There are two problems: Poorly educated teachers; federal rules and regulations that blanket a nation of varying situations as if there were only one. Then there are the teachers unions which have nothing to do with teaching and or learning yet the lobbies from teachers continue to mask the real problems, mainly the Federal Government; remove the Federal rules and regulations, make a real accounting of the people in charge and demand a finished product from you local schools. Those bumper stickers that proclaim ‘Johnny is an honor student at XXXX’ doesn’t tell you Johnny can read a tad better than Sally but neither have a clue as to real learning…………….

21 posted on 01/16/2007 6:58:26 AM PST by yoe ( We're coming and Hell's coming with us!!!)
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To: Pharmboy

bttt


22 posted on 01/16/2007 7:03:39 AM PST by aberaussie (Ignorance has a cost.)
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To: Chickensoup

23 posted on 01/16/2007 7:06:42 AM PST by whd23
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To: Chickensoup

Also, IQ really should be broken down into it's different categories, verbal vs non-verbal, memory, processing speed.

My 10 year old daughter has brain damage, and her overall IQ on tests has varied from 89-100.

She has speech and auditory problems that bring down her IQ. However, she is a math whiz and routinely scores in the 95% (or higher) on math tests for kids her age.

My daughter routinely gets As & Bs in school (private Christian school) because she works hard. I know other kids don't have her problems, and they do not get as good of grades.

The other day she sang a song about herself she sang "I'm the girl that sets goals in my path and gets them." That is what makes her a winner compared to other kids.


24 posted on 01/16/2007 7:15:04 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: K-oneTexas
I think the teachers would do better if they 1) worried less about indoctrinating the kids with socialist and greenie crapola and 2) did not condcern themselves with "self esteem" and made demands on the students.

As far as intelligence goes, I wish I were smarter too!

25 posted on 01/16/2007 7:16:14 AM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: Pharmboy

Despite the splitting of semantic and statistical hairs by Chickensoup, the article you posted does present items worthy of discussion. The NCLB with its required "improvement" and ties to funding was the largest mistake of the GWB first term. The particulars of how to overcome that mistake are the crux of the matter.

Thanks for posting the article.


26 posted on 01/16/2007 7:17:55 AM PST by T-Bird45
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To: T-Bird45; Chickensoup

You're most welcome. Chickensoup is quibbling, IMO, and his/her statistical arguments do not help advance things.


27 posted on 01/16/2007 7:21:05 AM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: whd23

Thank you for posting this.


28 posted on 01/16/2007 7:25:03 AM PST by Chickensoup (If you don't go to the holy war, the holy war will come to you.)
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To: luckystarmom

There is no question that movtivation and tailored learning can overcome IQ deficits. This is why I object to Murry's opening sentence. It locks out half the population but say they are below average when many on the other side of the point called 100, are motivated and sucessful.


29 posted on 01/16/2007 7:27:42 AM PST by Chickensoup (If you don't go to the holy war, the holy war will come to you.)
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To: Pharmboy

You're most welcome. Chickensoup is quibbling, IMO, and his/her statistical arguments do not help advance things.

Noting that Murry is setting up a straw man is not quibbling. By saying half of the population's IQ is below average, Murry is playing the sky-is-falling card just like MSM. I think that explaining the statistic's use correctly is responsible.


30 posted on 01/16/2007 7:30:23 AM PST by Chickensoup (If you don't go to the holy war, the holy war will come to you.)
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To: T-Bird45

Despite the splitting of semantic and statistical hairs by Chickensoup

Range is the most approptiate measure used in statistical discussion of IQ. Murry is playing games.


31 posted on 01/16/2007 7:31:40 AM PST by Chickensoup (If you don't go to the holy war, the holy war will come to you.)
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To: Pharmboy

Thanks for posting this. Murray nails it when he points out that we need to have schools which train kids to perform to their level of ability. You wouldn't suggest that the average joe play football in the pros, so don't suggest that persons with below average intelligence get Ph.D.'s. That said, most kids can and should get better instruction and would benefit by the time spent.


32 posted on 01/16/2007 7:32:27 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Pharmboy

I think the teachers would do better if they 1) worried less about indoctrinating the kids with socialist and greenie crapola and 2) did not condcern themselves with "self esteem" and made demands on the students.



Personally I think children would be bettr off with vouchers and a free market in education.


33 posted on 01/16/2007 7:33:18 AM PST by Chickensoup (If you don't go to the holy war, the holy war will come to you.)
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To: Chickensoup
No--you are missing the (non-statistical) point. He is NOT saying the sky is falling, he is merely pointing out that our abilities (including those endowed by our genes--and this area is MY bread and butter) vary, and no amount of money, wishful thinking or whining will change that.

Keep it real...

34 posted on 01/16/2007 7:35:45 AM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: Chickensoup
Personally I think children would be bettr off with vouchers and a free market in education.

Well, at least you line up with the FR position on THIS one...

35 posted on 01/16/2007 7:37:28 AM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: dinoparty
The schools are trying to make everyone a scholar. When my children went to grammar school, I knew many kids who were being stuck with all kinds of labels because they could not perform up to "expectations". Anyone with enough humanity to see them as they were would have seen that it was not there. When these low achievers went to high school, most of them dropped out or went to alternative high schools.
Modern educational theory assumes that all people can learn anything or are equally talented. That is utter nonsense. It also assumes that teachers can teach a classroom with mildly retarded children through gifted; this is not possible either. Tracking is supposed to be a form of discrimination, but not tracking is the real discrimination. In an untracked class, the smartest are held back and the slowest never catch up. And if you believe that a teacher can effectively teach a mixed class, I have a bridge in Brooklyn with your name on it. Modern educational ideas have made it impossible for most teachers to teach effectively and for most kids to learn.
36 posted on 01/16/2007 7:42:16 AM PST by Essie
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To: Pharmboy
No--you are missing the (non-statistical) point. He is NOT saying the sky is falling, he is merely pointing out that our abilities (including those endowed by our genes--and this area is MY bread and butter) vary, and no amount of money, wishful thinking or whining will change that.


I understand this. I agree with many of Murry's points. All I was doing is pointing out that his introduction was not statistically useful, appropriate or correct.
37 posted on 01/16/2007 7:43:34 AM PST by Chickensoup (If you don't go to the holy war, the holy war will come to you.)
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To: Pharmboy

Murray is simply repeating what wise psychotherapists often say, "You need to change your expectations to better fit reality". Murray is talking about realistic limitations. We need to educate children to the best of their abilities to become productive members of society. However, that will not happen with the entrenched educational establishment.

The real issue is not the IQs of students, but the IQs of people who receive educational degrees. Most evidence suggests that these are the worst performing and least intelligent college students. However, they have a powerful union, the Democratic party and the Oprah/soccer moms on thier side.


38 posted on 01/16/2007 7:44:02 AM PST by neocon1984 (end the idiocy of post-modernism)
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To: RKV

Thanks for posting this. Murray nails it when he points out that we need to have schools which train kids to perform to their level of ability. You wouldn't suggest that the average joe play football in the pros, so don't suggest that persons with below average intelligence get Ph.D.'s. That said, most kids can and should get better instruction and would benefit by the time spent.


No question about this. Good training and career plotting for many children. Example, my son is not college material. I homeschool hima and he will enter a homeschool/voc training school/trainee postion when he turns fourteen. He will come out of it with a master's license by the time he is 20. That will support a family well and permit him to have employees.


39 posted on 01/16/2007 7:46:43 AM PST by Chickensoup (If you don't go to the holy war, the holy war will come to you.)
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To: yoe

There are two problems: Poorly educated teachers;

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We have STUPID teachers!

Students in our colleges of education have some of the lowest SAT scores on campus. SAT scores and intelligence are related.


40 posted on 01/16/2007 8:02:14 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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