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California Citrus Growers Face Big Losses as Cold Snap Continues(So much for "global warming!")
sfgate.com ^ | January 14, 2007 | MARCUS WOHLSEN

Posted on 01/15/2007 9:26:04 AM PST by kellynla

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To: kellynla

Citrus crop destroyed by cold snap.
No need for illegal immigrant labor.

Midwest has mild winter. Housing boom continues unabated in several areas.

Lack of American construction workers draws immigrants to the hot construction sites.

This capitalist free market thing seems to respond faster to changes in the economy than the politicians in Washington. By the time the politicians finally vote in the right answer, it will be the right answer to the problems of some transient phenomenon that has become irrelevant by the time the law in ready to be implemented.


21 posted on 01/15/2007 10:07:35 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: Stallone

Your graph just went to 1990.

2000 is a shoelace on 2 clothespins.

2010 is just the 2 clothespins.


22 posted on 01/15/2007 10:09:44 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: kellynla; COEXERJ145; Theodore R.; MeekOneGOP; Dog Gone; SwinneySwitch

I bet demand for Texas Rio Grande Valley citrus will be up if they don't get frost damage this week. The damage in California sounds similar to the damage the Rio Grande Valley had from the Christmas 1983 freeze. Corpus Christi had lows down to 14°F for over a day, and half the palm trees in the city died.


23 posted on 01/15/2007 10:18:35 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: MarineBrat

If the anti polution people hadn't banned smudge pots it wouldn't be a problem!


24 posted on 01/15/2007 10:23:16 AM PST by dalereed
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To: kellynla

"It's all Bush's fault . . ."


25 posted on 01/15/2007 10:28:58 AM PST by fgoodwin (Fundamentalist, right-wing nut and proud father of a Star Scout!)
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To: dalereed
If the anti polution people hadn't banned smudge pots it wouldn't be a problem!

I really don't mind so much that they don't use them anymore, as they were pretty nasty when getting low on fuel. Once they're burning good they give off huge amounts of heat and burn pretty clean, but as they run low they can sit there and chug black smoke for hours on end. The morning after can look like Apocalypse Now. :) I do wish they'd make some allowances for special situations, such as extreme cold during a critical window of fruit growth.

But honestly, I don't think that the big growers have the manpower to use smudge-pots anymore. Old rancher friends of mine tell me stories about the old days when all of the teenage boys would get on work lists, and the phone calls would come in the late evening, meaning they'd be out there all night long trying to keep the smudge-pots running. I don't know if that would be practical in these times.

All of the big orange growers use giant wind machines now, that run on propane, gas or diesel. They do a pretty good job. But for a guy like me who has maybe two dozen trees, a wind machine is not only impossibly expensive, it's completely impractical because of the way my trees are dispersed. (They're not all together in a grove)

I have two smudge pots that I use for back yard parties, and, yes, on rare nights like this last weekend in an attempt to save some yearling avocado trees that mean a great deal to me.

My dear friend has a couple of hundred acres of oranges with no wind machine. It was his fires I was stoking for much of the night on Friday. I came home around midnight and got my own fires burning. Whenever I get my hands on an old washing machine I take the drum out and weld legs onto it. They make a great portable firepit. I had those going all night long, along with some propane space heaters that mount on top of 5 gallon propane bottles. Those propane ones are nice because you light them and they run all night without intervention, but they are really only good for one single tree per heater. I also have old fashioned strings of Christmas lights around the base of the avocado trees. The old fashioned lights put out some decent heat. I think they're "C-9" bulbs.

It was lots of work from 4:00am Friday morning when I got up until about 10:00pm Saturday night when I went to bed. By late Saturday night my eye was twitching nonstop and my sciatic nerve was twanging like a guitar string. :( I crashed and slept for ten hours.

26 posted on 01/15/2007 11:08:53 AM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: kellynla
This should be taught each week in our schools by Marines with examples and handling questions about how to to do this in everyday life:

"Improvise, Adapt, Overcome" the Marine Way!

27 posted on 01/15/2007 11:11:17 AM PST by Grampa Dave (GW has more Honor and Integrity in his little finger than ALL of the losers on the "hate Bush" band)
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To: Cicero
It not only illustrates the fallacies of global warming, but could have a negative impact on jobs for illegals and on Arnold's expectations of fat tax revenues to pay for his profligate spending commitments.

A billion dollars from the transportation bond (Prop 1B) will go to CARB to help pay for developing the framework for the Global Warming regulation and developing the carbon trading program. As always, the devil was in the details (fineprint).

Going through the backdoor of the PUC to approve $3 billion in rate hikes for Solar Roofs will also bring them dollars for their Global Warming folly.

And all without raising taxes! It's a miracle! /s

28 posted on 01/15/2007 11:13:55 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: kellynla
Climate change is likely involved -- but, not the "global warming" various nutters are screaming about. The more likely culprit is the "Pacific Decadal Oscillation". The PDO is a periodic climate shift (hence "oscillation") occurring over a period of a few decades (hence "decadal").

There's close to 300,000 web sites about the PDO, here's one: http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/

The following chart is from that site. Note the increase in temperature a few years ago -- coinciding with all the hysteria about GW. Also note where the temperatures appear to be heading. A cooler, wetter period is predicted -- it'll be interesting to see how GW Henny Pennys spin that into their apocalyptic scenarios.


29 posted on 01/15/2007 11:37:12 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: kellynla

The global warming advocates will blame the cold spell on global warming. Thats the beauty of global warming. If its too hot you blame it on global warming and if its too cold you blame it on global warming. No matter what the weather they win.


30 posted on 01/15/2007 11:37:16 AM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: fgoodwin

Its all because nancy pelosi doesn't want to raise the minimum wage of American Samoa! Its all soo clear!


31 posted on 01/15/2007 11:37:44 AM PST by Holicheese (Beerfest could be the greatest movie ever made!)
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To: kellynla

Just nature's way of limiting the spread of E. Coli-ridden California produce.


32 posted on 01/15/2007 11:39:37 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: kellynla

When Coca Cola bought Minute Maid, they also bought 12% of the land area of Belize and installed citrus farms there.


33 posted on 01/15/2007 11:39:56 AM PST by blam
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To: MarineBrat

Good luck with your avocado trees. When I was a little boy, we got an avocado pit to sprout in our apartment and put the seedling into a flower pot. By the time I left home, it was up to the ceiling. No avocados--I think it needed some cross pollination. But it was a beautiful tree.


34 posted on 01/15/2007 11:40:49 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: blam

and Minute Maid still makes lousy overpriced OJ from concentrate no less...


35 posted on 01/15/2007 11:50:13 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: stm

Zoom!


36 posted on 01/15/2007 12:21:11 PM PST by Stallone (War and Politics: When the Enemy begins to feel pain, they change their behavior to avoid it.)
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To: kellynla
There are two things going on:

1. global warming
2. Global Warming

37 posted on 01/15/2007 12:23:00 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Cicero

But docha just love the commentators that say the cold is caused by global warming.


38 posted on 01/15/2007 12:32:37 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: spintreebob

Just TWO clothes pins?

Could be VERY interesting.


39 posted on 01/15/2007 12:32:57 PM PST by Stallone (War and Politics: When the Enemy begins to feel pain, they change their behavior to avoid it.)
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To: Cicero
Good luck with your avocado trees. When I was a little boy, we got an avocado pit to sprout in our apartment and put the seedling into a flower pot. By the time I left home, it was up to the ceiling. No avocados--I think it needed some cross pollination. But it was a beautiful tree

Yes, Avocados do have special polination needs, and without bees and other insects in your house it wouldn't do well. Haas is the most popular avocado because of its ease of peeling and the nice taste and texture. But a grove of Haas avocados does not self-polinate well.

I'm not an expert at this by any means, but what my rancher friends tell me is that you intersperse "breeder" avacado trees throughout your avocado population. I have a "Zutano" avocado tree with three Haas and one Lamb Haas around it in the shape of a "W", with each tree 20' from its neighbors. The Zutano is the breeder for the four Haas. The single Lamb Haas is to lengthen the harvest season because it ripens later than the Haas.

40 posted on 01/15/2007 12:46:34 PM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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