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To: Fairview
At those times people believed sex before or without marriage was generally unwise, damaging to the female psyche and to society.

And since that time, we invented prostitutes, concubines, and extramarital affairs? No, people really didn't refrain from it all that much, they were just way more hypocritical about it.

40 posted on 01/15/2007 8:35:49 AM PST by hunter112
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To: hunter112
At those times people believed sex before or without marriage was generally unwise, damaging to the female psyche and to society.

And since that time, we invented prostitutes, concubines, and extramarital affairs? No, people really didn't refrain from it all that much, they were just way more hypocritical about it.

No, here's the fundamental premise: human psychology hasn't changed through the millennia; we're all wired up pretty much in the same way we were five hundred or a thousand years ago. And there have always been people (a lot of people) who followed their own sexual inclinations. There have always been prostitutes, affairs, etc. But in the past people understood that these things were wrong, a mistake, hurtful to women and to society, that marriage was a better outlet for sexuality than whoring around, that fatherless children don't grow up as well as those who have fathers in the home, that women are hurt in diverse ways by promiscuity. Since the sixties we've not been willing to acknowledge those basic truths. That doesn't make our forebears hypocrites; rather, they were the realists, and we are the hypocrites.

Why do I say that we (meaning "modern Western society") are hypocrites? Because our era is filled with people like Helen Gurley Brown and Hugh Hefner and yes, you, who see no harm in loose sexuality "as long as you can handle it" because this philosophy allows them to indulge their libidos easily. We think we know better, are more sophisticated, smarter than everyone in ages past. Well, the truth is almost no one can "handle it" without consequences to mind, body, and spirit.

62 posted on 01/15/2007 8:47:36 AM PST by Fairview
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To: hunter112

I have to agree with the other poster. You aren't at your best on this subject and are becoming tiresome. If you have something constructive to contribute, then by all means do so, but if you're just going to hurl invective and innuendo at people, then move on to a subject that does not upset you so.

Thanks.


63 posted on 01/15/2007 8:47:53 AM PST by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org: Ecce Pactum, id cape aut id relinque)
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To: hunter112; Fairview
"No, people really didn't refrain from it all that much, they were just way more hypocritical about it."

Not quite: in the past, thoughtless, heartless, careless, illicit sexual behavior was seen as being bad: people who behaved badly, sexually, either didn't repent, and developed seared consciences and hard hearts; or they repented, and grew to be people of good conscience and good heart. Society in general --- at some periods of our cultural history --- encouraged the good.

The difference now is that society in general relentlessly reaches for your wallet via your crotch. That makes it much harder to be good, or even to know, deeply, what "goodness" is.

374 posted on 01/15/2007 4:46:20 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Good sex: the basis of a good civilization.)
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