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Next target Tehran
The Guardian ^ | Monday January 15, 2007 | Dan Plesch

Posted on 01/14/2007 5:55:11 PM PST by maquiladora

The evidence is building up that President Bush plans to add war on Iran to his triumphs in Iraq and Afghanistan - and there is every sign, to judge by his extraordinary warmongering speech in Plymouth on Friday, that Tony Blair would be keen to join him if he were still in a position to commit British forces to the field.

"There's a strong sense in the upper echelons of the White House that Iran is going to surface relatively quickly as a major issue - in the country and the world - in a very acute way," said NBC TV's Tim Russert after meeting the president. This is borne out by the fact that Bush has sent forces to the Gulf that are irrelevant to fighting the Iraqi insurgents. These include Patriot anti-missile missiles, an aircraft carrier, and cruise-missile-firing ships.

Many military analysts see these deployments as signals of impending war with Iran. The Patriot missiles are intended to shoot down Iranian missiles. The naval forces, including British ships, train to pre-empt Iranian interference with oil shipments through the straits of Hormuz.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: geopolitics; iran; proliferation
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To: maquiladora

The longer we wait, the worse it's going to be.


21 posted on 01/14/2007 6:43:25 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: maquiladora

Ahh,...the Guardian.


22 posted on 01/14/2007 6:43:37 PM PST by Stand W (Fetchez La Vache!)
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To: maquiladora

I hope the Bush stated re-emphasis on crime-fighting and crowd control in Iraq is a mask for more properly focused designs in Iran. The New Strategy and the speeches would show Bush as utterly hopeless in figuring out that this a real existential war, not a little border fight in a picayune country in the desert. If we don't deal massively with Iran, all the effort and treasure and lives in Iraq are truly for naught.


23 posted on 01/14/2007 6:43:59 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Southack

I don't know if Russia is going to just sit back and take it. They have been buttbuddies with Iran for a long time.


24 posted on 01/14/2007 6:47:23 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Perdogg
I hope so.

I don't. Iran is no Iraq. If we go in, it's going to be 100 times worse than Iraq. And it could be nuclear war.

25 posted on 01/14/2007 6:48:08 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Iran has no delivery system, so if it's a nuclear war, it will be in Iran proper.


26 posted on 01/14/2007 6:59:18 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Maybe we ought to let Israel handle this one.

They are ready, and extremely motivated.

Am sick of all of this kowtowing to the rest of sandland.

27 posted on 01/14/2007 7:00:17 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: gcruse
Iran has no delivery system

All the more reason NOT to invade.

28 posted on 01/14/2007 7:09:53 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I don't. Iran is no Iraq. If we go in, it's going to be 100 times worse than Iraq. And it could be nuclear war.

No it won't. How are they going to deliver a nuke? And if they do use a nuke on us the rest of the war will take a bout 45 minutes as we FLATTEN that country.

29 posted on 01/14/2007 7:12:41 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Judges' orders cannot stop determined criminals. Firearms and the WILL to use them can.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
"Maybe Iran should have been hit before Iraq."

I always thought Iran should have been dealt with at the same time we hit Afghanistan. The evidence is overwhelming and obvious about their sponsorship of worldwide terror and it would have been justifiable even if they didn't have any direct involvement in the 9/11 attacks although I'd not be surprised if one day some evidence does show up that Iran and Al Quieda are linked.
30 posted on 01/14/2007 7:19:37 PM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Southack; gonzo

bttt


31 posted on 01/14/2007 7:21:23 PM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: gcruse
All it takes is a nice yacht tied up alongside a Hudson River, Potomac River, San Francisco Bay, Chicago, Thames, etc. pier.

Why is everyone insisting that you need a missile to deliver a nuclear weapon?
32 posted on 01/14/2007 7:26:45 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("Actions have consequences.")
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To: Centurion2000

Great attitude. If we invade and nuke Iran, we're toast. Russia won't put up with it.

I amazed at how many FReepers seem to WISH for a war with Iran.

Until they hit us, we need to leave them alone.


33 posted on 01/14/2007 7:32:55 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Southack

New York Post
EYEING IRAN By RALPH PETERS
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01062007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/eyeing_iran_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm?page=1

January 6, 2007 -- WORD that Adm. William Fallon will move laterally from our Pacific Command to take charge of Central Command - responsible for the Middle East - while two ground wars rage in the region baffled the media.

Why put a swabbie in charge of grunt operations?

There's a one-word answer: Iran.

ASSIGNING a Navy avia tor and combat veteran to oversee our military operations in the Persian Gulf makes perfect sense when seen as a preparatory step for striking Iran's nuclear-weapons facilities - if that becomes necessary.

While the Air Force would deliver the heaviest tonnage of ordnance in a campaign to frustrate Tehran's quest for nukes, the toughest strategic missions would fall to our Navy. Iran would seek to retaliate asymmetrically by attacking oil platforms and tankers, closing the Strait of Hormuz - and trying to hit oil infrastructure in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf emirates.

Only the U.S. Navy - hopefully, with Royal Navy and Aussie vessels underway beside us - could keep the oil flowing to a thirsty world.

In short, the toughest side of an offensive operation against Iran would be the defensive aspects - requiring virtually every air and sea capability we could muster. (Incidentally, an additional U.S. carrier battle group is now headed for the Gulf; Britain and Australia are also strengthening their naval forces in the region.)

Not only did Adm. Fallon command a carrier air wing during Operation Desert Storm, he also did shore duty at a joint headquarters in Saudi Arabia. He knows the complexity and treacherousness of the Middle East first-hand.

STRENGTHENING his qualifications, numer ous blue-water assignments and his duties at PACOM schooled him on the intricacies of the greater Indian Ocean - the key strategic region for the 21st-century and the one that would be affected immediately by a U.S. conflict with Iran.

The admiral also understands China's junkie-frantic oil dependency and its consequent taste for geopolitical street-crime: During a U.S. operation against Iran, Beijing would need its fix guaranteed.

While Congress obsesses on Iraq and Iraq alone, the administration's thinking about the future. And it looks as if the White House is preparing options to mitigate a failure in Iraq and contain Iran. Bush continues to have a much-underrated strategic vision - the administration's consistent problems have been in the abysmal execution of its policies, not in the over-arching purpose.

Now, pressed by strategic dilemmas and humiliating reverses, Bush is doing what FDR had to do in the dark, early months of 1942: He's turning to the Navy.

AS a retired Army officer, I remain proud of and loyal to my service. I realize that the Army's leaders are disappointed to see the CentCom slot go to an admiral in the midst of multiple ground wars. But, beyond the need for a Navy man at the helm should we have to take on Iran, there's yet another reason for sending Fallon to his new assignment: The Army's leadership has failed us at the strategic level.

After Gen. Eric Shinseki was sidelined for insisting on a professional approach to Iraq, Army generals did plenty of fine tactical and operational work - but they never produced a strategic vision for the greater Middle East.

Our Army is deployed globally, but our generals never seem to acquire the knack of thinking beyond the threat hypnotizing them at the moment (the Marines, with their step-brother ties to the Navy, do a better job of acting locally while thinking globally). Perhaps the Army's Gen. Dave Petraeus will emerge as an incisive strategic thinker after he takes command in Baghdad, but his predecessors routinely got mired in tactical details and relied - fatally - on other arms of government to do the strategic thinking.

The reasons are complex, ranging from service culture to educational traditions, but it's incontestable that the Navy long has produced our military's best strategic thinkers - captains and admirals able to transcend parochial interests to see the global security environment as a whole. Adm. Fallon's job is to avoid the tyranny of the moment, to see past the jumble of operational pieces and visualize how those pieces ultimately might fit together.

NOR is the Iran problem the only Navy-first issue facing CENTCOM. As you read this, our ships are patrolling the coast of Somalia to intercept fleeing terrorists - and have been hunting pirates in the same waters for years. China's future development (and internal peace) is tied to dependable supplies of Middle-Eastern and African oil transiting Indian-Ocean sea lanes, as well as to shipping goods along the same routes. In a future confrontation with China, our ability to shut down the very routes we're now challenged to protect would be vital.

Not least because of the botch-up in Iraq, there's a growing sense of the limitations of U.S. ground-force involvement in the Middle East. That doesn't mean we won't see further necessity-driven interventions and even other occupations, only that our strategic planners have begun to grasp that positive change in the region - if it comes at all - is going to take far longer than many of us hoped and won't always be amenable to boots-on-the-ground prodding.

If we can't determine everything that happens in the Big Sandbox, we need to be able to control access to and from the playground - a classic Navy mission.

And in the end the United States remains primarily a maritime power. As Sir Walter Raleigh pointed out 400 years ago, he who controls the waters controls the world.

Gen. Petraeus is going to Baghdad to deal with our present problems. Adm. Fallon is going to the U.S. Central Command to deal with the future.

Ralph Peters' latest book is "Never Quit the Fight."


bttt


34 posted on 01/14/2007 7:33:19 PM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: maquiladora
I am getting this feeling that if we go to war with Iran, we are going to need a lot more troops. So, I am going to get out my boots and shine them up, my Uncle might be recalling me in the next year. I am over 55 now, but I am in excellent physical shape (rode over 28,000 miles on my bike the past 3 years), and still say active shooting my pistols and rifles. So, while I may not be able to hump in the boonies and carry the heavy ruck sack any more, I can at least free up a younger, stronger warrior from his boring guard type duties or guarding convoys and such. I am ready to wear my uniform again, if my Uncle rings me up!!
35 posted on 01/14/2007 7:37:38 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Dimocrats stand for everything I hate, despise and wish to see destroyed, including dimocrats!)
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To: BwanaNdege

"All it takes is a nice yacht ..."

If we don't take out Iran, that might even happen.


36 posted on 01/14/2007 7:40:41 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: fifthestate

Tell a lie often enough ...


37 posted on 01/14/2007 7:44:42 PM PST by Don Carlos (Posting tasteless comments since 02/03/2002)
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To: fifthestate
"9/11 was a catastrophe."

9/11 was an act of international Islamoterrorism.

yitbos

38 posted on 01/14/2007 7:57:48 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Southack

I agree that there will be a blockade. Do you think we'll preemptively bomb Iranian nuclear facilities and military assets, too? Or, will we simply blockade (unless the Iranians start shooting, in which case we obviously shoot back)?


39 posted on 01/14/2007 8:07:25 PM PST by matt1234
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To: maquiladora

Open up a great big ole can of whoopass and poor it all over Mr. Ahmadinayabbadabbadoo.


40 posted on 01/14/2007 8:09:43 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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