Meltdown! The world is feeling the heat of global warming. (Please help me!)

Time for Kids ^ | January 12, 2007 | None listed

[drellberg]

"In 15 years, scientists say, the snows of Kilimanjaro will simply melt away. ... Kilimanjaro is not the only place that is threatened. Glaciers and polar ice are melting. Coral reefs are dying as the seas get too warm. Lakes and rivers in colder climates are freezing later and thawing earlier each year, disrupting the life cycles of native plants and animals. What is causing this breakdown in nature?

[FreedomNeocon]

ABOVE -- Graph of temp over 400,000 years
BELOW -- The MSM friendly, commonly used, version, only showing the last 2,000 years and the 'hockey stick' ending. Total misrepresentation.




"Global Warming" is actually due to the tilt of the Earth which varies from 22.5 degrees to about 24 degrees. Its why we have seasons, and some times of the year have 24hr darkness in some places. Anyway, the overall cycle from min to max angle takes 40,000 and every 'ice age' is a multiple of 40,000 of earlier ones. At least the 7 recorded ones currently. Not every 40,000 does it swap (sometimes 'thaws' are skipped until next rotation).

Point is... the Global Warming that does exists, is WAY beyond our control, and on the order of tens of thousands of years. Media and biased reporting always just culls the data set way to narrowly to make their PoV 'true'

[bboop]

My husband is a geoscientist, PhD from Caltech. He thinks GW is hooey. There is a lot of research money being poured into GW research and the piggies are at the trough, researching what is being paid for.

Let's say the earth is warmer right now than it was 50 years ago. Can you prove that SUV's cause it? They are irrelevant compared to the SUN, a huge ball of fire. How do you then explain the fluctuations of climate back through time, when there were NO SUVs?

I think it has a lot to do with the liberal agenda of: "SUVs are bad; we need alternative energy; WalMart is bad; cigarettes are bad. WE ARE IN CONTROL and if we do things right, WE WILL NOT DIE."

[WSGilcrest]

http://junkscience.com/

[ClaireSolt]

I am offended by the propaganda nature of this Time for kids, and I think you should be too. Scaring children with dubious statements about mountains on the other side of the world is wrong, imho. Object. (to the original poster)

[kinoxi]

Here's a link that's difficult to reconcile with the 'Bush's fault' crowd.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_snow_011206-1.html

[WorkingClassFilth]

Dittos on the Blomborg book - the environmentalists hate it, but they don't refute it. Even Nature took a shot, but devolved into personal attacks. Another mega-stature environmentalist that came in from the cold is Dr. Patrick Moore, one of the original seven founders of Greenpeace. His website is here: [ http://www.greenspirit.com/index.cfm ]. Still another website of interest would be Dr. Fredick Seitz and the Oregon Petition, found here: [ http://www.oism.org/pproject/ ]. This site debunks the human based concept of global warming and has been endorsed by about 20,000 signatory science degrees.

If you can't get the links to open, cut and paste.

[FreedomNeocon]

Oh yeah, and the data shows that the 'ice ages' are getting longer. There are more cycles where the 'thaw' does not happen and is missed. Extending the 'ice age' another round.

Now its nothing we are doing because we are basing it on the last 7 freeze/thaw cycles (which go back 400,000 years), but technically Earth is currently in one of the 'hotter' cycles, and should be expected to start cool in a few thousand years if nature takes it course. (This is why the Envrio-whackos get all confused with 'global warming' and 'global cooling')

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

I guess somebody better tell Denver. Right after the media predicted an end to the Rocky Mountains' skiing industry in the next 20 to 30 years due to global warming, Colorado got slammed with winter storms that broke all kinds of records, it's now officially an emergency (you know it's bad when a western state declares an emergency because of the snowfall), and the high temperature today is 9 F.

[poobear]

Wow, those graphs are a keeper! Looks like we've had highs and lows every 10,000 years for over 400,000 years! Then that little graph below only shows the trend for the last 1000. Those rascals, but why water down the issue of Global Warming and CO2 emissions with FACTS!

[OldFriend]

Perhaps Colorado can send some snow to Mt. Kilamanjaro.

Watch for the media to insist that the bitter cold in the midsection and west is due to warming.

[wodinoneeye]

WFRV.COM ^ | 12 JANUARY 2007 | CBS
(CBS) SAN FRANCISCO -- The National Weather Service said it expected temperatures to hit record lows Friday night into Saturday morning across much of California as an arctic blast delivered rare snowfalls in low-lying southern cities and put the state's citrus industry on alert. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a State of Emergency citing "conditions of extreme peril to the safety of persons and property ... as a result

[JustDoItAlways]

You cannot convince them otherwise no matter how much you try. You are wasting your time and just expending rapport.

Liberals do not think based on facts, they think based on emotion. I have never seen a Liberal change their mind based on facts.

The global warming myth is here to stay for now. We have lost.

It will not go away until Liberals get tired of it. Like pop culture, they will change their focus to some other emotion-based catastrophy in a decade or so.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Hey hey! Don't be distracting the argument by talking about the sun! It's all about the CO₂!! /junk science off

[Moonman62]

Please help me. I live in a liberal midwestern college town, and next to Iraq this is the subject on everyone's lips. My kids get stuff like this in handouts from school and come home saying that the world is doomed.

I miss the good old days when everybody was worried about nuclear holocaust.

[Dan Evans]

Try the Greening Earth Society:

http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/Index.jsp

[tioga]

Meltdown! The world is feeling the heat of global warming. (Please help me!),

I am enjoying a rare NY winter with minimal snow. Sorry, can't help you.

[Reeses]

a lib at work

Politics and religion are fun to talk about but are taboo at work. It really gets people upset then they are impossible to work with. I love FreeRepublic because it's birds of a feather, very different than a work place.

[april15Bendovr]

Crichton, Heston: You Can't Destroy Earth
December 7, 2004

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/estack/you_cannot_destroy_the_earth.guest.html


RUSH: Okay, we found this Charlton Heston piece. You people will remember this, some of you. Some of you will not. I forget what year. I think this is 1995 when we first aired this. On February 3rd of 1995 Charlton Heston called the program and wanted to read from Michael Crichton's prologue of Jurassic Park, and this is what it sounds like.

HESTON: You think man can destroy the planet? What intoxicating vanity. Let me tell you about our planet. Earth is four-and-a-half-billion-years-old. There's been life on it for nearly that long, 3.8 billion years. Bacteria first; later the first multicellular life, then the first complex creatures in the sea, on the land. Then finally the great sweeping ages of animals, the amphibians, the dinosaurs, at last the mammals, each one enduring millions on millions of years, great dynasties of creatures rising, flourishing, dying away -- all this against a background of continuous and violent upheaval. Mountain ranges thrust up, eroded away, cometary impacts, volcano eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving, an endless, constant, violent change, colliding, buckling to make mountains over millions of years. Earth has survived everything in its time.
It will certainly survive us. If all the nuclear weapons in the world went off at once and all the plants, all the animals died and the earth was sizzling hot for a hundred thousand years, life would survive, somewhere: under the soil, frozen in arctic ice. Sooner or later, when the planet was no longer inhospitable, life would spread again. The evolutionary process would begin again. Might take a few billion years for life to regain its present variety. Of course, it would be very different from what it is now, but the earth would survive our folly, only we would not. If the ozone layer gets thinner, ultraviolet radiation sears earth, so what? Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It's powerful energy. It promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV radiation. Many others will die out. You think this is the first time that's happened? Think about oxygen. Necessary for life now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison, a corrosive glass, like fluorine.

When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life. Nevertheless, life on earth took care of itself. In the thinking of the human being a hundred years is a long time. Hundred years ago we didn't have cars, airplanes, computers or vaccines. It was a whole different world, but to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can't imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven't got the humility to try. We've been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we're gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us.

RUSH: Charlton Heston on this program from 1995 in February, and that's from Michael Crichton's Jurassic Park. He called here and wanted to read that. It was in the midst of some, you know, massively insane, absurd, radical environmental argument at the time.

[Porterville]

will it help melt the Grape Vine? Will it help stop the snows east of Santa Barbara? Will it warm up LA from it current record breaking lows? Help us Al Gore!!

[chiller]

Short answer: The Sun (which is also shrinking ice caps on Mars.) As for Kilamanjaro; moisture levels are way down because of deforestation around the mountain. Temperature on the mountain has nothing to do with it.

Ask first, if there IS global warming, is it good or bad ? The answer is good. Secondly, ask what may be causing global warming? Most of us agree man has virtually nothing to do with it, as an honest study of temperature cycles will show.

Man made global warming however provides a HUGE monetary and political incentive. A Kyoto type treaty is a "unassailable" and politically correct guise for socialism--a means to spread money from the rich to the poor.

If you dig, you'll find dire global warming predictions are distorted guesses based upon computer models (for which there is little accurate info) created from whole cloth by scientists with an agenda.

Man made global warming fits nicely into media's need to scare us, which is the bulk what they do.

It's not about weather, or climate, it's about money and power. Facts make NO difference. None....which helps explain lots.