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To: Non-Sequitur; sittnick; ninenot; Tax-chick; bornacatholic; fieldmarshaldj; onyx; Cap'n Crunch; ...
Actually not. My normal reference to the Hildebeast here is as Mrs. Arkansas Antichrist.

I also support the enthusiastic and somewhat unrestrained use of American military power wherever (outside of eleven Southern states) it is useful whether in response to urban riots, Islamofascisti lunatics, people who see fit to attack Americans and our interests abroad, the Second Amendment RTKBA, low taxes, abolition of federal income taxation, a substantial attack on envirofiction and envirowussyism that results, and abolition of gummint skeweling (a wall of separation between gummint and skewels actually).

I don't imagine an America in which there are not alternatives to Mrs. Arkansas Antichrist. I don't imagine an America in which Mrs. Arkansas Antichrist would be regarded as even marginally pro-life or anti-homosexual (in fact, on the second of those there are rumors....). Nor do I imagine a pro-gun Hildebeast, an anti-gummint indoctrination Hildebeast, or a Hildebeast with three functioning brain cells to rub togather on matters allegedly environmental.

As to conservatism, what would Lincolnians know???? How would they know???? Do you also imagine John Brown a hero for his festivities at Potawatomie Creek? I think Bobby Lee and JEB Stuart were heroes for hanging the sorry SOB after Harper's Ferry. Do you think that Killer Tiller, the third trimester abortionist at Wichita, should be put out of business? Jailed???? Executed if laws existed and he were found guilty of violating them by killing third trimester babies????

To rephrase your silly allegation, no candidate who is NOT pro-life and pro-marriage deserves consideration from conservatives for any office where the candidate may make a difference on either issue. Some candidates may be merely questionable and that will require careful attention and high scrutiny. McCain vs. Mrs. Arkansas Antichrist (Butch Clinton???) might give conservatives pause as to McCain but most conservatives would vote for him whatever they say now. In primaries, Brownback or Mark Sanford or Mike Huckabee or Newt Gingrich or candidates yet to emerge will be available. Rudy Giuliani may rediscover his Brooklyn Italian Catholic roots and publicly wonder what sort of drugs he must have taken to go pro-death and pro-lavender (although the photos onstage in a tutu with a fake beauty mark and three pounds of facial powder and makeup will be a tough sell in Peoria and in Kansas, for that matter).

The old notion of Barry Goldwater as a conservative was effectively eliminated by his last term in the Senate and his public bragging of taking his daughter to abort his grandchild. The GOP is and will remain the party of Ronald Reagan. Goldwater did not like that since it converted Goldwater into an increasingly obscure historical footnote: at best a minimal forerunner of Reagan in a lesser conservative movement that preceded the 1964 election and, at worst, an eccentric traitor to the Reaganite cause in 1976 (actually cutting commercials for Gerald Ford in California warning voters not to let Reagan near the nuclear button, no less) and in his last term in the Senate when, having promised Arizona pro-lifers to vote with them when he was trailing a Democrat pro-lifer and conservative businessman on the Friday before election, Goldwater obtained his last election by false pretenses and then, having won, said it would be his last term and he would vote as he pleased.

The GOP is not your radical great, great, great grandfather's Republican Party or Lincoln's. Fortunately, it never will be again. The fashionable social issue Junior League types who favor the Morrisons over the Klines are fortunately averse to having large numbers of children. Kline supporters are not as fearful of large families. Do the demographics.

67 posted on 01/11/2007 10:52:06 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
Actually not. My normal reference to the Hildebeast here is as Mrs. Arkansas Antichrist.

Only because she isn't anti-abortion apparently.

I noticed that in all your ranting and raving you didn't once mention smaller government. You mentioned lower taxes but not cutting spending. You're big on your anti-gay jihad but not on less intrusive government. For you being anti-abortion and anti-gay are the be-all and end-all of conservatism. For me, adherence to core conservative values would have put an end to abortion on it's own by leaving it up to the states to allow or, far more likely, disallow. I don't see where the govenment has a place in a person's sexual orientation.

You ask would I agree that Dr. Tiller be executed "...if laws existed and he were found guilty of violating them by killing third trimester babies????" Well, of course. If laws existed and he was found guilt of violating them and that was the mandated punishment. But the laws don't exist, and I think Kline was a fool for using his office on a personal crusade. If Tiller is guilty of violating the law then have him charged. Don't cook up a bunch of bogus misdemeanor counts and try and do an end run around the local DA. But in spite of all Kline's best efforts it looks like Tiller's acts, while reprihensible, weren't illegal. And unless the Supreme Court overturns or modifies Roe v Wade the won't be.

And if the 11 southern states launch another rebellion then I say we hunt up another Sherman to deal with it.

70 posted on 01/11/2007 11:09:18 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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