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Giuliani fears ex-wife will hit presidential bid
London Times ^ | 1/7/07 | London Times

Posted on 01/07/2007 11:46:24 AM PST by wagglebee

THERE is one woman who could cause Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, more problems than Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House: she is Donna Hanover, his second wife, writes Sarah Baxter.

Hanover, an actress and broadcaster, was enraged by Giuliani’s flagrant infidelity towards the end of their 18-year marriage and the divorce case was vicious. Giuliani’s advisers fear that she could be a loose cannon in the 2008 campaign.

Giuliani was acclaimed as the “mayor of America” for his heroic role during the attacks on September 11, 2001 and is revered for his leadership. At the time he was living in the spare room of an apartment belonging to gay friends after Hanover forced him out of Gracie Mansion, the official residence.

Hanover refused to confirm that she would vote for Giuliani as mayor of New York even when she was married to him. “What kind of wife is that?” Raoul Felder, Giuliani’s lawyer, fumed. “She’s essentially saying she’s not going to vote for him.”

Hanover once stood outside a shower at Gracie Mansion, expecting to confront Judith Nathan, Giuliani’s mistress, now his third wife. In the event, a startled golfing friend of Giuliani’s emerged.

Hanover was also accused of a lack of sympathy while the former mayor was battling prostate cancer, by banishing him to a spare bedroom and exercising noisily on a treadmill at 5am.

New Yorkers relished the details of Giuliani’s larger-than-life personal story. But conservative “values voters” could be different, as Giuliani’s own aides noted in a 140-page memo leaked last week by supporters of a rival candidate.

The campaign dossier suggested that Hanover could be one of several potentially “insurmountable” vulnerabilities that could cause him to drop out of the race. It was an embarrassing start to a campaign that is not yet officially under way.

Giuliani’s record in fighting crime and terrorism has placed him at the top of several polls for the 2008 Republican nomination, edging out Senator John McCain in popular support. But the party base may be turned off by his support for abortion, immigration, gun control and gay rights (although not gay marriage). It is their votes that he needs to secure the nomination.

“It would be one thing if Giuliani could say, ‘I’m a strong social conservative in my private life’, but he can’t even say that,” said Ramesh Ponnuru, a conservative commentator and author of The Party of Death, an attack on social liberalism. “It’s not just the fact of his multiple marriages, it is the way the Hanover marriage melted down. It was operatic.”

When Giuliani met Hanover on a blind date in the early 1980s, his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over. Hanover, who went on to appear in the television series Ally McBeal, was a glamorous soulmate who seemed to enjoy the spotlight as much as he did.

They had two children, Andrew, 21, and Caroline, 17, but in 1996 Hanover stopped calling herself by his last name and a year later Vanity Fair magazine said that he was having an “intimate relationship” with a senior member of his staff.

In 2000, without telling Hanover first, Giuliani announced at a press conference that he was separating from her. She retaliated by accusing him of being unfaithful with the employee, but he was already with Nathan.

Maggie Gallagher, a family values campaigner, was outraged by Giuliani’s “scummy” performance, accusing him of making Bill Clinton “look good as a husband and father”.

New Yorkers learnt during the divorce case that their cancer- afflicted mayor was temporarily impotent and Hanover demanded a huge settlement, including £760 a month to care for Goalie, the family’s golden retriever.

Felder struck back, accusing Hanover of being an “uncaring mother” who was “howling like a stuck pig”.

In the end Giuliani, who was beginning to earn big consultancy fees after September 11, agreed to a settlement of $6.8m to avoid the full horror of a court case.

Hanover has married Ed Oster, her university sweetheart, and written a book, My Boyfriend’s Back, about rekindling an old romance. Even if she stays mum, there is enough in the public domain to rattle conservatives. Yet however vicious the personal attacks on Giuliani, they are unlikely to dent his reputation for competence. He did, after all, handle the September 11 attacks while bunking with gay friends in the midst of an affair and a divorce battle.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008election; corrupt; donnahanover; exwife; giuliani; hitpiece; letch; nothanksrudy; rino; toomanywives
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To: Collier
FDR and Eleanor were fifth cousins (according to previous posts. He had girlfriend and she had a girlfriend too.

This thread has been active for seven hours, which illustrates how strong feelings are regarding Rudy; pro and con.
381 posted on 01/07/2007 7:06:51 PM PST by BW2221
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To: BW2221
The main thing is to spar in good spirit, and with the idea of illuminating what unites, and divides, with honesty, and with no holds bared. If some veins are broken, or even arteries, in that spirit, well that is just sanguinary cleansing. :)
382 posted on 01/07/2007 7:07:45 PM PST by Torie
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To: UWconservative
Also in many very strict religious communities who would not consider marrying anyone from outside their group most of them are related not just second cousins but first cousins.

We have have neighbours that everyone in their church apart from her husband are related.

This marriage really jolted the gene pool and 2 of their 4 children were born with club feet - first marriage for about 3 generations outside the family.
383 posted on 01/07/2007 7:07:46 PM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: rodeodrive3

I have heard others say she is annoying as hell and has a voice like Joan Rivers. I have never seen her other than still pictures. Gotta be something about Judy Nathan that is a potent political liability because you never see her with Rudy at political functions.


384 posted on 01/07/2007 7:09:55 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"So you're more concerned about what adults are doing in their bedrooms rather than limiting government and lowering taxes."

I didn't say that. I suggest you re-read what I said.

"If that makes me a Loserdopian, or Liberal-tarian, so be it."

Whatever you want to call yourself. Conservative wouldn't have been my first choice either.


385 posted on 01/07/2007 7:11:22 PM PST by Norman Bates (President Ford †)
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To: HitmanLV

Well....the Christian custom is to divorce your spouse BEFORE you get a new girlfriend.


386 posted on 01/07/2007 7:11:45 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: ErnBatavia

I do not think statistics back up your comments


387 posted on 01/07/2007 7:11:54 PM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: tomcorn
I know that's the custom but it seldom works out that way in the real world.

Some people are serial cheaters. Some people make a really bad call and cheat on a good spouse. In more cases than not, however, the cheated upon spouse alienated the cheating spouse enough so that they looked for affection elsewhere.

Dirty secret of cheating.
388 posted on 01/07/2007 7:13:14 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: McGavin999

First you told me she was dying but she wasn't.

"Yeah, that whole wife dying of cancer while you're off having an affair was pretty messy."



Then you told me that they didn't know that.

"But she didn't know that at the time, nor did he."



I just was wondering what sources you are using for that info. you are trying to pass off on me.





389 posted on 01/07/2007 7:14:02 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: tomcorn

I saw her but it wasn't at a political function, he had given a speech in a foreign country and they were touring a site together and being treated like VIP's but quite friendly to Americans and others there, or at least he was. She wasn't at his side when I met him but I saw her several times as they walked around the place.


390 posted on 01/07/2007 7:17:29 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: HitmanLV

Well....for me them moral issue is crystal clear...both infidelity and wife beating are wrong. Additionally, in distances under 70 yards my wife is a stone killer with a shotgun. She'd wing me a few times just for funzies before she gave me the coup de grace up close and personal like. She is an emotionally engaging woman.


391 posted on 01/07/2007 7:18:49 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: tomcorn

Infidelity is wrong, but that's not to say it doesn't happen for sound reasons now and then. It's bad business but I know some cheaters who ended up with better mates when the dust settled.


392 posted on 01/07/2007 7:21:17 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: BonnieJ

Doesn't that suggest to you that she is a political liability in some manner?

It's like she is trying to remain a non-person in Rudy's political life. Not gonna work.


393 posted on 01/07/2007 7:23:06 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: tomcorn
Don't go messin' 'round; we enjoy having you on FR..
394 posted on 01/07/2007 7:26:04 PM PST by BW2221
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To: HitmanLV
This thread has caused me to do some checking. Rudy had his first marriage annulled when he discovered (after 14 years) that his first wife was also his second cousin. How it's possible for an educated man not to know who is second cousin is mystifies me.

There also were widespread rumors that he was having an affair with his communications director. It could be interesting to see if any Jennifer Flowers-types appear.

Rudy, Newt and McCain are hardly favorites in the Husband of the Year competition.
395 posted on 01/07/2007 7:33:55 PM PST by BW2221
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To: BW2221
Rudy, Newt and McCain are hardly favorites in the Husband of the Year competition.

Luckily, none of them are running for that post.

396 posted on 01/07/2007 7:36:14 PM PST by Wormwood (Goldwater Republican.)
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To: BW2221

My wife told me that I can fool around if I get her permission first. I point out women at the mall or at church and she keeps saying no....but one of these days....


397 posted on 01/07/2007 7:37:37 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: Condor51

{Heck, John Kerry is more pro gun than Rudy.}

With Rudy's treament of his ex-wives, he won't get the "soccer mom" vote. After all, why bother voting for a liberal when you can get the real thing in a RAT. With Rudy being pro-gun control, pro-abortion, and pro-homosexual, the RAT candidates can claim the moral high ground over Rudy. Obama and Edwards are still on their first marriages and love their wives.


398 posted on 01/07/2007 7:48:53 PM PST by Kuksool (I learned more about political science on FR than in college)
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To: UWconservative

you are buying all the spin - how do you know he didn't talk to her about the separation first, because she said so? scorned women don't lie? give me a break.


399 posted on 01/07/2007 7:52:28 PM PST by oceanview
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To: HitmanLV

indeed.


400 posted on 01/07/2007 7:53:34 PM PST by oceanview
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