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A Disturbing, Violent Trend [Must read]
ESPN ^ | Jan. 6, 2007 | Jemele Hill

Posted on 01/06/2007 5:47:26 AM PST by indcons

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To: indcons
"While America is generally a violent place"

Take any crime statistic -- murder, robbery, rape, # of arrests, # of prisoners -- and subtract the minority contribution to those statistics, and we're no worse than any other country.

There are more blacks in prison than in college. Three-fourths of all prisoners are minorities. I'm getting tired of this generalized "America" bashing.

21 posted on 01/06/2007 6:18:46 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: econjack

"I agree strongly with the marriage statement, but who spends New Year's eve at home with their kids?"

My husband and I did.


22 posted on 01/06/2007 6:20:59 AM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: StAnDeliver
"If Williams had married the mother of his two children and been at home celebrating the New Year as head of his family in Denver -- instead of keeping them at arm's length in Fort Worth -- Williams would be alive today."

Well said. I wonder if that would fit on his tombstone.

23 posted on 01/06/2007 6:22:37 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: StAnDeliver

You're blaming the victim because his choices didn't meet your personal standards [or mine either, for that matter]. He had a perfect right to be where he was and to expect personal safety while he was there.


24 posted on 01/06/2007 6:24:39 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: indcons

I thought maybe Rush Limbaugh wrote this before ESPN fired him for Talking politics on a Sportschannel


25 posted on 01/06/2007 6:25:47 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: StAnDeliver
If Williams had married the mother of his two children and been at home celebrating the New Year as head of his family in Denver -- instead of keeping them at arm's length in Fort Worth -- Williams would be alive today. Period.

Excellent point

Unfortunately this is far from a black problem only, it's a now a spiritual, cultural, moral and ethnic problem that is effecting all segments of society, some harder than others.

We are only now reaping that whirlwind.

26 posted on 01/06/2007 6:26:13 AM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: tuffydoodle

Come on. The focus of New Year's Eve is not traditionally the family. Christmas is.


27 posted on 01/06/2007 6:26:17 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: indcons
Why do black athletes often seem to find themselves either holding a gun or staring down the barrel of one?

There are consequences for stupidity.

Pretending to be some bad-assed gangbanger will probably get you killed.

Why don't these jackasses just play football?

28 posted on 01/06/2007 6:26:47 AM PST by Recovering Hermit (There's another old saying Senator..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.")
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To: StAnDeliver

"If Williams had married the mother of his two children and been at home celebrating the New Year as head of his family in Denver -- instead of keeping them at arm's length in Fort Worth -- Williams would be alive today. Period."

Blaming the victim gets tiresome fast.


29 posted on 01/06/2007 6:27:03 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: indcons

Of course, movies and songs don't make people kill people, but they can influence the way people think and live.

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Art imitates life. The music, movies, posters, books and magazines glorifying the "hip hop" lifestyle are describing an aspect of life that exists independent of that description. This is fact, not fantasy. if we want to see fewer black athletes as victims of violence, the victims and perpetrators must make decisions that will result in different outcomes. To accomplish this, all people must worship at the alter of their Lord and Savior, not at the alter of the Almighty dollar.


30 posted on 01/06/2007 6:27:35 AM PST by photodawg
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To: SmoothTalker
Many in America are too PC to talk about it but black culture must be radically overhauled if blacks are to ever do well in the US.

Okay, but how do you go about dragging a culture into the repair shop for an overhaul?

31 posted on 01/06/2007 6:29:22 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: indcons
What a disturbing and sad cycle we have going now. An increasingly large number of black super-star athletes identify with (if not adopt) the hip-hop gangsta image.

More sadly the role model for the average black youth is the hip-hop gangsta look, walk, personna.... and the sports paraphernalia of their 'gangsta hero sports star'.

How about some other role images to aspire to.... step up black leaders.

32 posted on 01/06/2007 6:30:23 AM PST by nctexan
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To: econjack
I do. We had friends with their children over earlier in the evening, put out a buffet, let the kids play for a while, then everyone left after 10, and my wife and I were in bed by 12:05.

Read this Denver Post interview with Williams. It is amazing, the drastically lowered expectations that the MSM has for these athletes.

33 posted on 01/06/2007 6:30:43 AM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: econjack
but who spends New Year's eve at home with their kids?

Are you kidding me. Some of the best times we had as a family was the kids were growing up was new years eve, replaying all the events of the past year, good and bad with the family and giving thanks to God we had a good year and pray for another.

...and yes even the kids got to sip a glass of wine at midnight to celebrate

34 posted on 01/06/2007 6:31:52 AM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Dan Evans

"Okay, but how do you go about dragging a culture into the repair shop for an overhaul?"

The blacks have to do it themselves. It can't be forced on them from the outside. A generation of positive leaders has to come in and replace the racebaiting low lives who pass for black leaders today.


35 posted on 01/06/2007 6:35:31 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: Reagan is King
The poverty pimp black leaders (Jesse, Al, et al) are too busy blaming and shaking down whitey to try to fix their real problems.

Hey, it's like they say, "Follow the money".

36 posted on 01/06/2007 6:37:37 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: SmoothTalker
Many in America are too PC to talk about it...

I think that PC keeps Americans from talking about it. I don't know who the author of this article is, but I'll bet he/she's black, because a caucasian is risking their career by even writing an article like this. Whitey isn't allowed an opinion, and black "leaders" are just in it to shake whitey down. The problem with the black community (and America in general) is that there are no real leaders, just short-timers out to make a quick buck.

37 posted on 01/06/2007 6:40:31 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: ballplayer

Unofrtunately this kind of truth-telling can only be done by a black person.


38 posted on 01/06/2007 6:42:21 AM PST by Menehune56 (Oderint Dum Metuant (Let them hate, so long as they fear - Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC)))
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To: Clara Lou

"Come on. The focus of New Year's Eve is not traditionally the family. Christmas is."

So preferring to stay home with my husband and kids on new years eve makes me a non-traditionalist? Or we could look at it another way, I'm a mom and a wife and my family comes first. I don't like being out on the road with drunk drivers, I don't like hanging around drunks (new years eve tradition is getting drunk, right?). Ever been in a room with people drinking and you're the only sober one? I have health issues so I don't drink at all. My husband stopped drinking when we had children. Just our life choice.

I call it being a responsible grown up.


39 posted on 01/06/2007 6:45:05 AM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: SmoothTalker
A huge part of the problem in the black community is black culture. It glorifies violence while de-emphasizing the importance of education. Many in America are too PC to talk about it but black culture must be radically overhauled if blacks are to ever do well in the US. At this point it is much more of a barrier to success than the legacy of slavery or segregation.

Exactly. The problem is continuing the culture of tribalism. In Africa it's Hutu v. Tutsi. In the US it's Blood v. Crip.

40 posted on 01/06/2007 6:46:18 AM PST by Zman516 ("Allah" is Satan, actually.)
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