When Does Life Begin?

Columbia ^ | William Ryan

[UpAllNight]

--Questioning when life begins about something that is clearly alive makes you look like a moron.--

Clever way of avoiding answering my questions.

[metmom]

Speaking of questions, there are these from a previous post that you never responded to even when requested several times.

What about its DNA? Why make age the arbitrary criteria in determining whether someone is human or not? Why are you willing to decide that it's *not human*? What purpose is there in that?

And I can add: On what basis do you decide that a human egg fertilized by a human sperm is not a human being?

[metmom]

Answers to questions you asked me: Yes, yes, no.

[little jeremiah]

The Vedas state that the soul enters the embryo with the sperm; the sperm actually carries the soul into the egg.

[UpAllNight]

Do you support that life begins in the womb or prior to the womb?

--No.

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[metmom]

Do you support that life begins in the womb or prior to the womb?

You never asked me that.

[MHGinTN]

My Korean/American daughter-in-law tells me that in Korea they count the age of the unborn from conception, so at three months post birth the child is one year old.

I differentiate soul and spirit. The spirit being present with the new life is what differentiates a human organism from the rest of alive organisms on planet Earth. If one does not believe the human has a spirit then I suppose it makes little difference when such an one would acknowledge a human being is present. There are actually some who would not convey the full status of human being until some months after birth, some only at birth, and others at some arbitrarily appointed time after conception.

Changes in abortion law and the exploitation of human beings in ESCR or cloning will happen if just the believers in a human spirit would agree that protection for the alive human spirit is paramount, to protect human beings if there is a spirit present with the new life. It is my sincere prayer that a discussion on not arbitrarily killing a human spirit's life on Earth needs to happen across our society. Getting such rational discussion requires first realizing whether we believe there is a human spirit and then that the advent of that spirit is a question we have not yet answered so society ought move in the direction of protecting, rather than the current selfish direction of abortion on demand regardless of the spiritual nature of the unborn.

This is a deep and most important discussion and that's why--as you have no doubt observed, my deeply religious friend-- I don't pay attention to agitprops and lickspittlists playing games with language to feed their ego or amuse themselves and their soulless fellows with senseless question games. If we can get beyond the initial fundamental points, I would dearly like to discuss the notion of self-defense as it must be applied to the pregnancy termination issue.

[jwalsh07]

I wasn't. Another had implied a definition of a human was a cell that contained human DNA. That was the discussion.

You lied and now you compound the lie by lying once again. Welcome to FR, I look forward to smacking you around every chance I get. And for the record it was you who equated dandruff to a human being. Not me, not metmom, not Coleus. Just you while reviling in your ignorance.

[NewLand]

UpAllNight,

I have read thru all of your replies and can tell you that your agenda is transparent, your "debate" style is amateur, your integrity is nil as you dodge questions by saying things like 'stay on topic' but you often go off topic, you accuse others of posting inaccurate data but you ignore your demonstrated inaccuracies.

You cannot fool us no matter how ard you try.

Many of us here know you...we have dealt with posters like you many times before, ones who (clearly to me) are re-cycled FR outcasts who calls places like DarwinCentral home, but have no loyalty or respect or reverence for FR.

Get the hint?

[ClearBlueSky]

Aside from going to extravagant lengths to divert the real conversation here, you seem to have suddenly developed a fixation on cows.
Considering the amount of BULL you're spouting, it isn't surprising.

Would you consider a hamburger into which someone bled while chopping onions a human? It would contain human DNA. You're getting embarassing.
Do you believe that life begins at conception for humans AND animals? Do you believe its ok to kill pre-born humans?

I'd like you, and anyone who would like to, to answer the following-
If what a woman is pregnant with is NOT a human, what is it?
Phlegm in the womb? Is my stuffy nose pregnant? If I don't blow it, will a baby pop out in 9 months?

Metmom says it was you who said the 'cell' in utero is the same as a cell elsewhere in the human body. IF that is so- I retract my apology.
And the statement-not to mention the thinking- naked singularity stupid.
The lengths some people will go to to avoid calling abortion premediated murder is abominable. And all the creative definitions in the world won't change the fact that abortion kills an living, unborn, human being.

[little jeremiah]

Wonderful comments. The only human viewpoint is to have respect for life just because it is life, and valuable because all lives are created by God in His image. Not because one might be another Einstein, Beethoven, or Mother Theresa, or create a miracle medicine. But just because each and every one is a child of the Supreme Lord and is therefore dear to Him, not matter what physical or mental capabilities or lack thereof. The lacks and flaws are only the in the vehicle part.

You and I differ a small bit - I see that every living being is a soul, underneath the physical covering. I don't restrict that respect for life solely to the human contingent. But human life does indeed have very special meaning, because we are given the depth of intelligence (and I don't mean IQ) to understand that God exists and we should serve Him with love. Animals can't understand that.

(Usually - remember Balaam's ass - who saw the angel before Balaam did!)

The slaughter of innocents before birth is a horrible crime that is causing more and more damage than most people even see.

No one's life is now worth anything.

[little jeremiah]

"The lacks and flaws are only IN THE the vehicle part."

And I even proofread it.

Bedtime, I was up early!

[PigRigger]

Now, those phrases support that life begins in the womb. Do you support that life begins in the womb or prior to the womb?

No, once again I state I believe it begins at conception.

The bible was directed at people who could never conceive of invitro....as we would with future technological advances...

Once conception occurs, the path to human form begins....the viability of that life is the only issue in question at that point...either it will progress to a viable human form that can exist outside the womb or be terminated naturally or …..by the hand of man...

The simple fact is, at the point of conception the spark of life is ignited....whether that be in or outside the womb...abortion is the intentional termination of that developing life force into human form.

[PigRigger]

Thanks, I really don't see the benefit of personally attacking someone because they disagree....no matter what the discussion is about...

[dixiechick2000]

"Jer. 1:4 The word of the LORD came to me, saying,
5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."


I knew you before you were born...

that was, exactly, my first thought when I saw your ping.

[Question_Assumptions]

Pro-choice advocates live in a Lewis Carrol world.

That's a very interesting and clever way of looking at it.

[cgk]

You're all probably already here, but pinging anyway!

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[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[geopyg]

I thought of "...when you were nothing but a sparkle in your daddy's eye!"

[Nancee]

What a beautiful picture!~! A billion cheers for LIFE and for BABIES!!!