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Atheists challenge the religious right
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 4 January 2007 | Jane Lampman

Posted on 01/03/2007 6:19:54 PM PST by shrinkermd

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To: oprahstheantichrist
Can someone cite an example of a nontheist who is NOT an atheist?

They're just shades of the same turd.

21 posted on 01/03/2007 6:53:39 PM PST by Disturbin (Get back to work -- millions of people on welfare are counting on you!)
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To: shrinkermd

I will be praying for these authors. Just because they want to deny the power and existence of God doesn't mean he doesn't exist or he isn't sovereign. I deny the number on the weight scale, doesn't mean it isn't telling me the truth.

Lee Strobel is an author who has written many books. He started off as an atheist, but as he tried to disprove the claims of Jesus in the bible, he became a believer. The truth shall set you free. Peace


22 posted on 01/03/2007 6:57:26 PM PST by CANBFORGIVEN (! Corinthians 2:14)
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To: shrinkermd

I don't know. It all sounds rather, uh, evangelistic.

I think that's funny. Surreal, in a way.

So, now I've this image of a professorial type in a WHITE suit, strutting across a platform in a staduim, somewhere; big hair out to 'here' and TV cameras and lights; booming voice -- with a slightly southern accent -- "If ya don't believe, ya won't receive, but I will. Somebody say a-MEN!"

How weird.


23 posted on 01/03/2007 6:58:55 PM PST by HKMk23 (PRO-LIFE: Because a Person's a Person, no matter how small.)
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To: shrinkermd

If they atheists, why should they care?


24 posted on 01/03/2007 6:59:44 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: shrinkermd

The kindest thing you can do for an atheist is to pray for him. The fact that it causes them to foam at the mouth is a nice side benefit... ;-)


25 posted on 01/03/2007 7:00:33 PM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: shrinkermd
BRING IT ON!!!!

Atheism is easy to dissect: The axioms on which it rests - themselves not subject to the scientific method which is the litmus test of truth for atheism - cannot be accounted for in a Godless universe. Neither can self-awareness, right and wrong, etc.

"The End of Faith" is a misnomer, since atheism itself is a faith - just one that begins from a different presupposition. Isaac Asimov, Gordon Stein, and other celebrated atheists freely admit their inability to prove God's nonexistance.

26 posted on 01/03/2007 7:01:08 PM PST by Lexinom (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: Chi-townChief
Because they know, deep down, that they are wrong. Otherwise indeed, why should they care?
27 posted on 01/03/2007 7:02:10 PM PST by Lexinom (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: shrinkermd

These guys essentially are trying to create money-making "non-belief" religions, much as the operators behind the global warming industry are doing.


28 posted on 01/03/2007 7:02:37 PM PST by JennysCool (Well done, President Ford.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
I go back and forth on this. Is "Religion" a valid generalization? Sure at first it seems to be, but if you're IN one, and way in, it always seems that the one you're in isn't like all those other ones. At least that's whatg I get from my own experience and from conversations with Zen Buddhists, and Anthroposophists.

So, yeah you could talk about religion in anthropological or sociological catgegories. But it would be like a tone-deaf person talking about music, I fear.

29 posted on 01/03/2007 7:04:15 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
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To: domenad
"How do you study and teach a subject that you believe has no basis?"

Actually, if the person approaches the subject from a purely academic perspective, it may actually be a benefit to teaching the subject, because biases may be set aside to truly understand the foundations of what is to be taught. This thought is better expressed by Pierre Abelard:
"The beginning of wisdom is found in doubting; by doubting we come to the question, and by seeking we may come upon the truth."

Two of the individuals quoted in the CSM article, Dawkins and Harris, fail the above. In fact, I find them an embarrassment, similar to others the article mentions. Then again, when one is 'enamored with their own press', vision can be fairly blinded.

30 posted on 01/03/2007 7:05:07 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: shrinkermd

Our nation was founded on religious tolerance. The Left believes in pure intolerance.


31 posted on 01/03/2007 7:08:19 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: domenad
How do you study and teach a subject that you believe has no basis?

Maybe it does have a basis. Evolution is religion.

32 posted on 01/03/2007 7:08:36 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Oh, dear!

Can't I rest up first from all the hogwash on the Marion thread?

Wheeee.


33 posted on 01/03/2007 7:08:49 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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34 posted on 01/03/2007 7:10:03 PM PST by Aetius
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To: azhenfud; Quix

It's WORSE than that, though. This is like the deaf, blind, guy and his quadraplegic sidekick getting up mid-flight and trying to convince the passengers of a fully-loaded 747 that they should yank the seasoned flight crew out of the cockpit so they can get in there and show everyone how the plane never REALLY left the ground in the first place.


35 posted on 01/03/2007 7:11:17 PM PST by HKMk23 (PRO-LIFE: Because a Person's a Person, no matter how small.)
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To: shrinkermd
Why do the Atheists get their panties in a bunch? They shouldn't be offended by what they don't believe in.
36 posted on 01/03/2007 7:11:47 PM PST by Dmitry Vukicevich (I found a good BackScratcher.)
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37 posted on 01/03/2007 7:12:30 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: shrinkermd
Mr. Harris suggests it could be equated with slavery, which once was widely acceptable, but eventually was looked upon with horror.

And craig_eddy suggests that Mr. Harris will one day, from the pit of Hell, look upon his life with horror.

38 posted on 01/03/2007 7:16:07 PM PST by craig_eddy
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To: Chi-townChief

Dawkins is an aging zoologist who has long sought attention, not as a scientist, but as a "public intellectual", which is part of the title of the chair he holds. As far as I know, Harris reached 40 without ever holding a real job for any length of time, although he apparently traveled a lot on one or both of his parents' money. He is now one of the oldest graduate students in America. Both desperately want to be "relevant". Their schtick plays well to their devote believers, but is hardly noticed by anyone else. Neither one manages to get beyond the kind of facile arguments and sneers that I was a master of long before they happened on the scene ;-) Let them have their moment. They don't matter.


39 posted on 01/03/2007 7:16:31 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: shrinkermd
Dawkins...
Sam Harris... et als
Are marginal idiots...

Their debate structure and framing of the central issues are merely a squad of self-affirmed straw men -- whom they are pleased to bash with warmed over Neitzsche...

They are trying to "prove a negative"... a fairly ludicrous undertaking on its face.
And they cannot / will not tolerate -- much less consider-- any "evidence" that isn't "scientific"... their own brand of "science"... BTW
(In other words -- any ideas offered in the legal/historical realm of reason -- NOT ALLOWED)

If this is a political play... bring your freedom of speech, your ideas -- however far-fetched and weakly reasoned... I will bring the testimony of Jesus Christ --

We will disagree... I am certain.
So bring it...

Contrary to your self-imposed rulebook for cultural debate -- I do not owe your ideas, reasoning, or high intellecutal station in life ANY deference or obeisance...

If this is about right, reason, and the ultimate eternal reality....
Dawkins & Harris and their buddies...

Need to learn to spell intellectual honesty...
(Dawkins particularly needs to sit down with his former colleague -- Sir Anthony Flew)

AND....

(Dare I Say It...)

THEY ALL NEED TO PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH...

And learn to spell intellectual honesty...
(Dawkins particularly needs to sit down with his former colleague -- See Anthony Flew)

40 posted on 01/03/2007 7:16:46 PM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The answers remain available; Wisdom is obtained by asking all the right questions!)
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