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Pardon Border Agents Ramos and Compean (14 Days Left to Petition)
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Posted on 01/03/2007 1:21:09 PM PST by Tim Long

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To: PRND21

I provided you with a link in post #53. Neither you or anybody else has been able to refute the allegations made in this testimony.


101 posted on 01/05/2007 1:17:18 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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To: PRND21
"Remember Ruby Ridge? Does Lon Horiuchi deserve a pardon, too? '

Please tell us you're kidding?

Special Agent Horiuchi was never charged or convicted of anything. His actions had the blessing of the AG and entire federal power structure.

Sheeesh!

102 posted on 01/05/2007 1:27:57 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Ajnin
I provided you with a link in post #53.

"Friends of the Border Patrol" and your defense are weak and biased.

Neither you or anybody else has been able to refute the allegations made in this testimony.

That's not testimony. The testimony was in court, with which the jury unanimously convicted your co-workers.

103 posted on 01/05/2007 2:18:02 PM PST by PRND21
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To: investigateworld
Special Agent Horiuchi was never charged or convicted of anything.

He should have been...just like these two felons. Get it?

You, by the way, need to loosen your tin foil beanie.

104 posted on 01/05/2007 2:20:58 PM PST by PRND21
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To: PRND21
You, by the way, need to loosen your tin foil beanie.

Hmmmm ... why can't you discuss an issue without the insults?

Of course I have the advantage on you. I know what I'm talking about. The county I worked for was a port of entry for Ollie North's program. But you can bring yourself up to speed by reading "Compromised... by Reed and Cummings"

But if you don't, I will understand. We all have our 'level of comfort' and it can be unpleasant to deal with facts.

So don't worry, I'll understand.

105 posted on 01/05/2007 3:40:29 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: investigateworld

Reed's book was an excellent piece of fiction.


106 posted on 01/05/2007 3:41:25 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!)
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To: investigateworld
Hmmmm ... why can't you discuss an issue without the insults?

Because your conspiracy theory and logic is insulting.

107 posted on 01/05/2007 3:42:46 PM PST by PRND21
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Have you read it?


108 posted on 01/05/2007 3:45:09 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: investigateworld

Yes, I did read it. Any resemblence between Reed's book and fact is purely coincidental, and I actually have some direct knowledge of what he was talking about. I was in the machine-tool business when Reed was, and he was well known (it was and still is a small community where everyone knows--or has at least heard--of everyone else) for bragging that he was working for the CIA. I figured that those who really worked for the CIA in a covert capacity (as Reed claimed to) generally didn't broadcast it at every damn bar they ever visited.


109 posted on 01/05/2007 3:55:24 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
During that time frame I was working as a detective in a kinda large agency with access to just about everything. Well except for the two years I spent on jail duty after inquiring why so many coke dealers had special duty badges and concealed weapons permits. ( CCW are a big deal in California)

It was during my jail duty period that I met the Nicaraguans who were in the business so to speak. They were not dirt bags, but Patriots in their nation.

I agree Reed was a wanna be James Bond, but how do you explain Buddy Young doing the investigation on the insurance fraud case?

While I'm not an attorney, I have been told by those who are, that it is very rare for a Federal judge to enter a "Not Guilty" verdict in dismissing a case.

Maybe someday I do a vanity or magazine article* which will help historians understand that era. Bottom line while "Project Jade, Operation Screworm Centaur Rose and such ... were brilliant, they left a lot of collateral damage, such as putting Slickmesiter into POTUS.

*I did save the documentation which would be essential.

110 posted on 01/05/2007 4:30:33 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: investigateworld
If you had actually met real, no-kidding Nicaraguan patriots during that timeframe, you never would have known that they were even from Nicaragua--they always said that they were from Guatemala, Honduras, or El Salvador. The ones who were (a) dealing drugs and (b) saying they were Contras were FODs (Friends of Danny Ortega). They were the ones who started the idea that the CIA was pushing drugs.

I had some dealings with the Contras and didn't know a damn thing about it until I was in a Chamber of Commerce meeting with a Nicaraguan trade delegation and I was reunited with a former business partner who had been funding the Contras--he was a minor player in the post-Ortega government, but I knew him as an Honduran businessman trying to build a factory in Tegucigalpas and buying machine tools.

I find it fascinating that you're repeating the usual Democrat slander about Contras dealing in drugs, though.

111 posted on 01/05/2007 4:57:09 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Gasp ... I had no idea I was having a conversation with someone who knew someone who knew someone that knew Terry Reed. All those years that my eyes were lying to me, the bogus documents that just happened to be placed where I would find them.

Not trying to be too much of a wise guy, but I know what I know.

And actually, some of the Democrats were just as deep into the Programs and even knew more about than most Republican politicians did.

Have you read Dark Alliance by Gary Webb?

112 posted on 01/05/2007 5:06:34 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: investigateworld
Gasp ... I had no idea I was having a conversation with someone who knew someone who knew someone that knew Terry Reed.

I actually met face-to-face with him right before he bugged out to Mexico, when I was consulting for a very pi$$ed-off venture capitalist who'd just lost thirty megabucks because Reed's end of the deal had fallen apart. He spent the entire meeting trying (and failing) to explain away why he'd managed to lose yet ANOTHER business deal that should've been in the bag. At least he didn't try to use the "I was working for the CIA" crap--even he was probably realizing that it was getting old.

Have you read Dark Alliance by Gary Webb?

Yes. That was an artfully-written piece of libel. He was very careful to make the most libelous accusations against people who were dead (and thus couldn't sue), people who may have disappeared without intent of coming back (assuming that they actually existed in the first place), or against public figures (who, being public figures, would have had to prove actual malice on Webb's part--go ahead and try to prove another human being's state of mind, lotsa luck). He also worked extremely hard to keep Danny Ortega and his buddies out of the narrative--I guess it would've damaged his "Reagan bad, Communism good" rhetoric.

113 posted on 01/05/2007 5:28:53 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Actually, Webb allowed himself to buy into a bread crumb trail - feed by Freeway Rickey Ross and his attorney. I'm certain folks were close to him who he trusted weren't playing straight, but he did avoid the Ortega angle.

And when the gubberment invoked the National Security angle, they basically confirmed that Reed knew something.
Now Cummings, his coauthor, doesn't strike me as a fool. Or even having an agenda other than writing a book.

Ever wonder who's paying Gorbachev's bills?

And every cop in the biz had to laugh about the wind blown open hanger door. Good old Buddy Young was just doing his duty to Slick et. al., pity he's so stupid.

114 posted on 01/05/2007 6:14:32 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: PRND21
Friends of the Border Patrol" and your defense are weak and biased.

The allegations made by Andy Ramirez before Congress of jury misconduct and prosecutorial misconduct have yet to be disproven. Of course, this is all irrelevent to you because of your undying support for illegal aliens and drug smugglers.

115 posted on 01/06/2007 1:53:59 AM PST by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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To: Ajnin
Of course excusing drug smugglers is ok, isn't it? Giving drug smugglers immunity is Ok with you also, right? And of course you don't have a problem with drug smugglers breaking the law under the purview of immunity.

Any criminal case the U.S. had was blown out of the water as soon as the two Border Patrol agents tampered with the crime scene and the evidence. You should know that, even if you are not a lawyer.

118 posted on 01/09/2007 3:57:21 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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...as soon as the two Border Patrol agents tampered with the crime scene and the evidence.

Exactly, regardless of how the Border Agent Union Reps on this thread spin the info.

119 posted on 01/09/2007 4:19:55 PM PST by PRND21
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To: 1rudeboy

Johnny Sutton allowed Aldrete to smuggle an additional load of drugs into the US after being given immunity for the previous load. Maybe it's just me, but I think there's something a little unethical about an incompetent US Attorney giving illegal aliens carte blanche to commit whatever crimes they wish.


120 posted on 01/12/2007 2:47:58 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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