Posted on 01/03/2007 12:37:38 PM PST by SmithL
RAF MILDENHALL, England British police said Tuesday that safety lines played a role in the death of two U.S. sailors swept off the deck of the USS Minneapolis-St. Paul by fierce seas in Plymouth Harbor on Friday.
It would look to be a contributing factor, Devon and Cornwall Constabulary Sgt. Detective Richard Bailey said of the safety lines. Its an aspect of the inquiry.
Bailey said the two sailors who survived the accident were either not attached to the vessel with safety lines or had lines that allowed them to drift from the nuclear-powered submarine.
The two sailors who died, identified Sunday as Senior Chief Petty Officer Thomas E. Higgins, 45, of Paducah, Ky., and Petty Officer 2nd Class Michael J. Holtz, 30, of Lakewood, Ohio, were tethered more closely to the sub, according to Bailey.
Navy spokesman Lt. Chris Servello said the Navy was declining to release details until its investigation was completed.
Servello said Commander Sub Group 8 would convene an administrative investigation conducted by a serving submarine captain.
Bailey confirmed the accident occurred while a British pilot who maneuvered the vessel through Plymouth Harbor was being transferred from the Los Angeles-class submarine to a smaller British Ministry of Defence ship to return to the Devonport Naval Base.
The submarine was at the edge of Plymouth Harbor where a mile-long break wall meets the open sea shortly before 1 p.m. on Friday when rough seas forced the four from the deck of the ship. Wind gusts were clocked near 50 mph and waves rose to 20 feet as the sub departed Plymouth Harbor following its brief tour in England. Bailey stressed that the weather was rough, but not what Plymouth Harbor officials considered extreme.
The four victims were plucked from the water by British personnel from escort vessels and by sailors aboard the sub. They were taken to Plymouths Derriford Hospital, where Higgins and Holtz were declared dead.
Ian Arrow, coroner for Southwest Devon and Plymouth, said the bodies of Higgins and Holtz remain at Derriford Hospital. His office is waiting for a report from the U.S. Navy before it is permitted to conduct an autopsy to determine the cause of death.
Under the Visiting Forces Act, I am awaiting further clarification from the U.S. Navy and a report from them before we order any type of autopsy, Arrow said.
Arrow said the U.S. Embassy in London was contacted Friday to assist in the repatriation of the victims. U.S. State Department officials could not be reached for comment on Tuesday.
The two survivors, whom the Navy declined to identify due to the Privacy Act, spent Friday and Saturday night at HMS Drake Royal Naval Base before being transferred to RAF St. Mawgan, home to a U.S. Navy outpost, according to Bailey.
He said the two were interviewed over the weekend.
Bailey said his agency is investigating the incident to determine if criminal charges would be filed in connection with the deaths, but preliminary findings indicate the deaths were a tragic accident and not the result of a criminal act.
Bailey described Fridays deaths as a fairly unique incident and that his office had conducted two investigations of incidents on ships in Plymouth Harbor in the past year, but none included the deaths of foreign troops.
The constabulary, the British Ministry of Defence and the U.S. Navy are conducting separate probes. The Norfolk, Va.-based submarine was sailing under the command of the Navys 6th Fleet during its weeklong tour of Devonport, which regularly hosts foreign vessels as part of NATO military events.
Ping!
How sad.
It sounds like they got crushed between the two ships.
The men were out on deck while the sub was underway?
Yeah, they had to let the Pilot off, before heading out to sea.
The seas were a bit rough that night.
Without any hesitation, this drunk sailor just jumped at the wrong time for the Jacob's Ladder and was crushed to death between my LCM and his ship.
That's what I was thinking...or else, could they have been swept into a hull or a propellor blade? Normally, they'd have been wearing life vests...for them to die so suddenly, something else must've contributed.
An earlier report I saw indicated the men were doing maintenance on the exterior of the sub. It is not at all clear to me as to how the men went overboard.
50 mph wind and 20 foot waves!!! But the weather wasn't "extreme"??? Sounds extreme to this ol' Marine.
that sucks
Timing is everything. I once embarrassed myself when jumping from a Boomer's Jacob's Ladder into a Tender's Motor Whaleboat. Luckily, I just landed on my rump in the bottom of the Whaleboat, damaging only my pride.
Actually, the story says the two who died had shorter lines so a crushing or a battering death is the likely story.
No, washed off the hull (still tied to the ship's safety track with the "suspect" safety lines, then were trapped/suspended underwater by the harnesses and lines.
No crushing involved.
Reminds of those divers that were lost (Coast Guard, I think) that got pulled down 100+ feet in seconds even though they had line attached.
The pilot also was endangered by the same harness and safety lines, but he could NOT be left on board the sub on a mission: his job was to assist the boat out of the sheltered water past the breakwater and buoys.
It's a catch-22: You can't leave the foreign pilot on board underwater, but you can't leave a strange harbor in a foreign port leaving a foreign naval yard under heavy seas without the pilot helping you get to an area where heavy seas.
This is right in line with earlier reports, and discussions here. I'm sure the Navy's investigation will will not only improve safety in the future, but also provide answers for the grieving families. May the hand of God guide them, and ease their pain.
Have a question. On your FR homepage you state the universe to be between 150 and 175 billion years old. I suppose you would say that that is the universe as we know it. Wonder what God had in place before he created the universe that we know?
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