Posted on 01/03/2007 4:15:15 AM PST by Aussie Dasher
A 75-year-old chief from Iraq's powerful Tamim tribe was thrown to his death from the top of a Baghdad building after gunmen kidnapped him from a funeral, a relative said today.
Sheik Hamed Mohammed Suhail, a Sunni leader in a mixed Sunni and Shi'ite tribe, was seized from the funeral in Agarguff area near Abu Ghraib on the western outskirts of Baghdad on Monday.
"He was dragged from the funeral and taken to Shuala area in Baghdad and then thrown from the top of a building,'' his nephew, tribal leader Sheik Ali Suhail al-Tamimi, said, blaming Shi'ite militants.
Shuala is a Shi'ite neighbourhood in western Baghdad.
Although Mohammed Suhail is a Sunni, nearly two thirds of his tribe is Shi'ite and he was known as a moderate who was working to reconcile Baghdad's warring communities, his nephew said.
"We accuse the Mahdi Army of killing him in this ugly way,'' Mr Suhail said, pointing the finger at radical Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr's militia, which has been accused of killing Sunni Arabs in Iraq's sectarian conflict.
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Rather like the Mafia, you usually get killed when your own people no longer like you
A 75-year-old chief from Iraq's powerful Tamim tribe was thrown to his death from the top of a Baghdad building after gunmen kidnapped him from a funeral, a relative said today.
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Used to think 'animal house' was a movie.
the guys don't f*** around
Maybe they just the departed
I wonder if the NYT will come out against them for their barbarity and lack of decorum?
we need to take Sadr and his goons and toss them off the same building, and pronto
From Apocalypse Now:
It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face... and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with Special Forces. Seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate the children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men... trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us.
Col Kurtz was ahead of his time
No, it's just typically Arab: they're cowards. Real big when it comes to a group of them taking some little old man and tossing his ass off a rooftop.
Put 'em in a stand up fight with trained troops and they die by the bucketload..................then again, try to get 'em in a true 'stand up fight'.
Despicable excuses for human beings.
Looks like the Sunnis are going to receive their comupance.
Rarely in history is a single word repeated so eye opening. Sadaam's funeral occasioned just such a time when the word "Moqtada" repeated three times sent a chill down my spine. Until that point, deep down under layers of naivety, I had envisioned the U.S. forces working hand in hand with Iraqi's who yearned for freedom and democracy.
I had given Iraq's current leader a pass when it came to the fact that the majority of his party were Sadr'ists because surely he was "fighting the good fight from inside". Although I had envisioned of extreme tests of loyalty within Iraq's Military and Police forces, I had blindly assumed that "good always found a way" and that the Iraqi's we had helped to achieve power were truly struggling for the good of the non-sectarian collective.
Then as has happened so often in recent times, one person with a cellphone camera is able to remove the veil and expose the ugly truth to the world. Armed with a better understanding of how deep the layers of corruption truly run in Iraq and chilled by the knowledge that the 'most trustworthy' people they could find to handle a state execution with dignity were raving mad Mahdi Army Sadrists, I have no problem believing the articles assertion that moderates who are working to reconcile Baghdad's warring communities are punished openly by the Mahdi Army.
Maybe the media was correct, maybe Iraq is in the middle of a civil war after all.
Col Kurtz was insane.
Due to the fact that fictional stories are consistently submitted by the AP based on fictional people. It would be better if the actual reporter who wrote this was listed. Otherwise I have no reason to believe this incident happened. Ever since Reuters and AP have shown a callous disregard to the truth, I do not believe any story unless it is has listed the byline of the reporters and confirmed the actual existence of the witnesses.
I have not neen able to locate this story from another source.
Newspapers have an obligation to not post any stories until they also have verified the facts. Otherwise this is just gossip and rumors that should not grace the pages of a newspaper
They hate each other more than they want to run the country.
The majority of Iraqis are uneducated and need to be led. That's why dictators like Saddam pop up so easily in these countries.
I too thought that democracy could gain a foothold there but I'm changing my mind. I now believe the only way to stop the violence is to prop up another "strongman".
It's unfortunate but the Iraqi people are too stupid to realize what a chance they are blowing.
Yes, maybe that makes us no better than they, but do we want them to win?
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Right, and on another thread, Buchanon is being trashed for arguing for an America First position.
I was supportive of this war effort. But I had a hard time jusifing American war dead, no matter how small the numbers, when we have open borders here and God knows how many terrorists living amongst us. The Patriot Act enforced under a Hillary might bite conservatives in the ass one day. And our military seemed under prepared in Iraq. I really tire of our role as global cop and do not see a satisfactory way of waging an endless campaign on the war on terror.
The single most striking thing is these countries that harbor such cruelty are not Christian. The Christian way of ordering civilization is what produced our Democracy and the economies that sustain our and other democracies. There has to be a cultural, moral, underpinning of all those processes, an axiomatic way of percieving the world, which allows the systems to work. Here, and in the rest of the west, the system that provides for that success: Christianity, is under assault. In its place: consumerism of material goods, of information, of sexual gratification take its place. The motivators of turn the other cheek, and do under others, and chiefly, love the One God, are antique notions in the minds of most and in our cultural artifacts. How do we then, on such tenuous footing, seek to export our systems to systems much more sure-footed, grounded in Islam, evil as it mostly is, and a desert, as a result, in terms of cultural proliferation of ideas, goods, and services. I vote for fighting the cultural war here, first.
V's wife.
If they really really wanted to punish him they should have put women's panties on his head!
Why do you say that?
For one thing I saw the movie. For another, read the comments. Basically the guy is saying that having the ability to cut off the arms of children without guilt is good thing.
That's pretty much nuts in my book.
"Moqtada" - has it been settled if that was in reference to the father or the son? Many news accounts I have read indicate it was in reference to the father.
I wonder if there might be those who claim to be Mahdi Army Sadrists but are not - just left over Saddamites jamming up the gears. Sadr has repeatedly claimed he is not involved with that type of violence, could it be true?
Also this is a very unusual civil war, never have heard of the combat technique of throwing enemy soldiers off roofs. Doesn't seem to be a very efficient way of executing a civil war.
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